Unionization

[IAM1776PHL]

And with union, workers could only wish they had the benefits and wages of '92 all over again. Now, no seniority for laid off people, less priviliges, unpaid sick time, less pension, worst of worst.

Sorry 700 but look up at the scoreboard sometimes instead of just running your mouth on the field.

regards,

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't F/S give up many benefits in 91 or 92 when the pension was frozen ? If I remember it was $millions and $millions so the other U groups could keep their benefits

 

[700UW]

Back in 1992 when the pilots took concessions the company imposed new workrules, benefits, pay, froze the pension and numerous other things on the non-union employees which included ramp and customer service.

And ALPA, AFA and the IAM all negotiated concessions with the company at one point or another in 1992, remember the Mechanic and Related went on strike for five days in October in order to reach concessions on our terms and not the Company's.

So fleet or any other non-union employee took concessions so the unionizied workforce did not.

 

[Awa Contract]

700 you accuse Tim of spewing the same old crap? Have you tried a device called a mirror recently?

 

[700UW]

Another brillant post from you. Ever hear of actually adding to the topic or debate instead of trying to attack or insult me?

Unlike Tim's dribble, I post the facts and what has happened, something Tim neglects to do.

 

[700AW]

Another brillant post from you. Ever hear of actually adding to the topic or debate instead of trying to attack or insult me?

Unlike Tim's dribble, I post the facts and what has happened, something Tim neglects to do.

no, unlike tim's dribbles, your post are your thoughts and ideas presented by you as fact, you rarely have any concrete evidence to back up what you say as fact, but when we post we are asked to give the concrete evidence you so lackingly cannot give when requested. When you are shown that you may not be right you start with the various verbinations of the word comprehend and the colloquial euphamisms of one's facts being a hurdle.......


one case in point is you overstatements of the stockers being in the cba since at least 1949, when asked repeadtly about it you refer that if I want to see it so bad then I can find it, well if it exist then YOU could find it as evidence ( a copy of the 1949 cba) that it is true, if not then you should not make an argument for something you cannot prove!!!!

 

[700UW]

I gave you the R#, the history, and whom to contact if you want to see the original CBA.

Do the work yourself. Prove me wrong, see you can't so you would rather attack me instead of finding out the truth.

Since I been working under the CBA since 1989, and you have not, I know what the history is, do you?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't F/S give up many benefits in 91 or 92 when the pension was frozen ? If I remember it was $millions and $millions so the other U groups could keep their benefits

Yes, fleet gave up many benefits. Even after cutbacks, 6 months after the IAM was voted in, they came up with a T/A that demanded more cutbacks. Thankfully, the flight attendants saw otherwise.
At any rate, my point was that even after the cuts you mentioned, the wages and benefits of '92 are still greater than 15 years later with the IAM.

The PDO system was greater than today. The wages. The 401k.
Regarding the retirement, the newly conceeded IAM pension plan was a $48.2 million concession to the previous 401k. I know because unlike 700, I served on the committee that met in Pittsburgh and we were presented with the numbers of each concession before we brought this 'pain' to the members for a vote.

Not surprisingly, even though the members suffered 'deep pain', the IAM came out extremely well.

regards,

 

[700UW]

Keep living in the past and disregard 9/11, fuel, bankruptcy and the economy Tim.

Shows what kind of thought person you really are lacking.

Every union in the airlines members have suffered.

But hey keep beating the dead horse and don't the facts get in the way of your diatribe once again.

And in 1992 you did not give up anything, you were non-union, employees at will and the company was free to do what they want and they did, and you contributed to it by starting your own union and filing short on cards causing a one year bar, how does it feel to know you helped the company impose the pain on your coworkers?

 

[Awa Contract]

Funny - I don't remember giving up anything since 9/11. Oh yeah, that's right I am a TEAMSTER.

 

[700UW]

Yep, that is right cause you were all ready at the bottom of the industry and the ATSB even said HP employees did not have to take concessions as you were the lowest paid.

Hey how about Aeroman and Timco?

How many teamsters are there overhauling your planes and doing mods?

What about the teamsters at CO last year?

How about the bang-up job the ibt has done at PSA, losing jobs and cant even negotiate a contract.

 

[Bear96]

Oh goody.

Yet another "my union's not as sucky as yours" thread.

Just what USAviation needs.

 

[700AW]

I gave you the R#, the history, and whom to contact if you want to see the original CBA.

Do the work yourself. Prove me wrong, see you can't so you would rather attack me instead of finding out the truth.

Since I been working under the CBA since 1989, and you have not, I know what the history is, do you?

thanks for proving my point, you leave it to me to prove you wrong, unlike we have to prove ourselves right on our facts
try something new and prove yourself right and post a link to the r# from 1949, what you posted earlier was a lter contract that had the stockers in it, but it was not the 1949 contract so your evidence does not prove you to be right that in 1949 the stockers were part of the m and r

Chick could not be found and your dear iam hq hangs up when i ask them for the info... so who wants to help whom get factual info

 

[700UW]

Like I have told you, April of 1949 was when the IAM was certified at US, three months later the stock clerks were added to the certification. Stock clerks were part of the first CBA. I never stated the stock clerks were added in a later contract.

The R# is the CBA that is what I provided.

Why must you post misinformation?

Chick is a retired AGC.

Like I have said you can contact the transportation dept at IAM HDQ, you can contact IAM DL 142 or the IAM Archives in GA.

Since you keep saying I am the one who is wrong, back it up.

I led the horse to water, you can decide if you want to drink or not.

I all ready know what transpired and every involved IAM M&R at US knows that history of our CBA.

 

[700AW]

Like I have told you, April of 1949 was when the IAM was certified at US, three months later the stock clerks were added to the certification. Stock clerks were part of the first CBA. I never stated the stock clerks were added in a later contract.

The R# is the CBA that is what I provided.

Why must you post misinformation?

Chick is a retired AGC.

Like I have said you can contact the transportation dept at IAM HDQ, you can contact IAM DL 142 or the IAM Archives in GA.

Since you keep saying I am the one who is wrong, back it up.

I led the horse to water, you can decide if you want to drink or not.

I all ready know what transpired and every involved IAM M&R at US knows that history of our CBA.

ok, if it is so easy to find, what is the r# i must have forgot.......please remind me

 

[700UW]

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