Unionization

[Awa Contract]

sorry we don't have any screw-ups like that to shift the blame and pass the buck on

 

[700UW]

No need for screwups when every ibt mechanic contract lets the airlines outsource all the heavy checks.

And your ibt at CO rolled over without CO being in bankruptcy.

 

[brown]

No need for screwups when every ibt mechanic contract lets the airlines outsource all the heavy checks.

And your ibt at CO rolled over without CO being in bankruptcy.

Can you come back with anything new? Is it no surprise the TEAMSTERS negotiated the BEST contracts in the airline industry Southwest and UPS. I guess if we made the low wages that USAirways techs make we would have everything done in house also......It isn't that difficult to figure out.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Still more mechanics then your airline and still managed to keep more work in-house then your beloved ibt/HP CBA.

That's the facts Jack!

Here Is Some Factual Information That Happened.Before the IBT came Franke then the CEO of AWA layed off 380 mechanics. We had just enough(Mechanics) to Run the airline. The Fact that we Have some 900+ (Mechanics) plus more store's,plus more @ GSE.The List Goes on & On. I do not see where you were misinformed about Date's & Number's.
DONT LET THE FACTS GET IN YOUR WAY OF UNDERSTANDING THE HISTORY OF AWA. MWW

 

[700UW]

Your beloved ibt failed to obtain the scope language for the heavy checks, that is why Timco and Aeroman do them, even Timco did the ETOPS mods on the 757s, not the ibt amts.

And even with two bankruptcies, three rounds of concessions and an abrogation we still have more mechanics, more GSE, more Stores and more Avionics and more Utility then you do. And the US/East GSE and Stores make more then their counterparts under your ibt/HP CBA.

Don't let the facts of the CBA's get in your way of history.

And the only reason you got more mechanics back was the FAA levied the largest fine against any airline for maintenance problems and the FAA was getting ready to ground HP, you could not even add one plane to the fleet unless the FAA gave the OK.

Don't let the facts get in your way once again.

 

[gonzo]

Your beloved ibt failed to obtain the scope language for the heavy checks, that is why Timco and Aeroman do them, even Timco did the ETOPS mods on the 757s, not the ibt amts.

Don't let the facts of the CBA's get in your way of history.

Don't let the facts get in your way once again.

Being the first contract for AWA I would say it has done very well. Perfect by no means...but good. It will need some changes.

Your IAM CBA has been around since what.....1949...I believe you said. By now it should be perfect. I can only see it slowly falling apart. Especially in the last few years. You whine and cry about the IBT CBA when you should be very concerned about the future of your CBA. The negative facts concerning the IAM CBA are much more serious than that of the IBT CBA. You don't let the facts get in your way you just ignore them.

The direction of these posts are so predictable that they have become a waste of time to respond to. If you don't get a response from someone who is in the "debate" with you then you consider it a victory. I consider it a waste of time to respond to what has been covered at exhaustive length. I will continue to respond though. 🙂

 

[700UW]

It was the industry leading contract till the judge abrogated it, but it still seems you can't grasp that concept.

Funny you are the one who ignores when someone poses a question to you or refutes what you post, you bury your head in the sand or attack and insult to try and deflect the real issue at hand, just as you did in the above post, you are way to predictable now.

Maybe you need to look in the mirror before you post, since it seems you are posting about yourself and not me.

You ignored the pay disparity, the outsourcing that the ibt permits, and the real reason why HP had to bring back mechanics, it was not because of the ibt cba it was because the FAA was going to shut HP down.

But hey, don't let the facts get in your way once again.

 

[gonzo]

It was the industry leading contract till the judge abrogated it, but it still seems you can't grasp that concept.I grasp it very well.....the industry leading contract allowed thousands of furloughs and now allows outsourcing....what else is there to know?

Funny you are the one who ignores when someone poses a question to you or refutes what you post, you bury your head in the sand or attack and insult to try and deflect the real issue at hand, just as you did in the above post, you are way to predictable now. Some children have habits of asking "what if or what is" this or that...after answering the same question several times I choose to ignore the question or change the subject. You have asked questions so many times and received answers, that after awhile it is not worth the time to answer any more. Asking the question ten times doesn't mean that you will get a different answer each time until you like the answer I give.

Maybe you need to look in the mirror before you post, since it seems you are posting about yourself and not me.Ahhhh......is see this is going to degenerate into name calling.....no thanks

You ignored the pay disparity,Yes, people who have different responsibilities get paid different amounts the outsourcing that the ibt permits,Hmmm ok lets compare what the IAM permits to what the IBT permits. The IAM CBA says that the outsourcing is permitted the IBT says outsourcing is not if it has been done in house in the past. No outsourcing has been allowed under the IBT CBA. and the real reason why HP had to bring back mechanics, it was not because of the ibt cba it was because the FAA was going to shut HP down.The IBT CBA didn't exist when the mechanics were starting to come back after the 1995 firing, it was in negotiations. Yes, the feds said you need to have a higher mechanic to aircraft ratio than you have. Hmmmm....if you think that is a bad point then you are digging deep to complain about nothing.

But hey, don't let the facts get in your way once again.The fact don't get in my way....as usual...but you do have a problem with thinking you are the fact "dispenser" YOU ARE NOT. 🙂

 

[700UW]

Let me explain this one more time to you and pay close attention.

The IAM/CBA was A B R O G A T E D in chapter 11 bankruptcy, up until 1/5/05 the IAM/US CBA was the best in the industry. Do I need to explain the section 1113 C and what abrogation means?

The membership ratified a final offer that the company put forward. And even with the modifications the IAM/US CBA still has more work done in-house then your ibt contract.

You keep avoiding the issues and try to deflect and bring up something else.

If the ibt CBA does not permit outsourcing then why does Aeroman and Timco do all your heavy checks?

If the ibt CBA does not permit outsourcing why does HP schedule line maintenance work in stations where there are no ibt/HP Mechanics?

The ibt failed to stop the outsourcing is the bottom line and it took two bankruptcies and three rounds of concessions for US to be able to outsource any heavy.

Like I said, you keep dodging and trying to deflect.

 

[Awa Contract]

Just more of your BS - work was gone before Teamsters were on property - work has come back in just not the heavy checks and you seem to forget our back shops came back under the Teamsters but you already know that you just keep spreading what the IAM tells you too . Maybe someday you will cut your strings and be a real boy andy think on your own.

 

[700UW]

And it remains gone with the ibt on the property, the majority of your maintenance is farmed out, you failed to secure the most important work which keeps the most jobs, and even after two bankruptcies and an abrogation the IAM/US CBA maintains better scope language.

Can't schedule line maintenance aircraft on the east side to have work performed in a non-mtc station, can't say the same about your cba, just like all the A320 and all the 737s are being done in-house on the east side and none on the west.

The facts speak for themselves.

By the way, no one tells me what to do, say or post, don't have to check in with anyone unlike you ibters who have to contact a non-amt, non-hp employee before you post, LOL!

 

[Awa Contract]

First I get permission to say what I say from no one - I say what is on my mind, politically correct or not - 2nd we have not had to worry about saving jobs since under the IBT we have seen our numbers do nothing but increase with new positions. But that is a concept the IAM has not had to deal with -- how many thousand do you have out of work - yeah, you guys have done a real good job. (insert IAM canned response here)

 

[700UW]

The IAM preserved the majority of the jobs during the first chatper 11 filing but was unable to reach an agreement with the company as they wanted 54% of the workforce eliminated in bankruptcy two and the judge abrogated, but yet you still cant comprehend that fact.

But yet you continue to spew your hatred and misinformation.

Why did the ibt give concessions at CO and they were not in bankruptcy?

If the ibt is so wonderful, why cant you get the heavy checks in-house?

If the ibt is so great why did they get voted out at WN and NW?

 

[robbedagain]

The IAM preserved the majority of the jobs during the first chatper 11 filing but was unable to reach an agreement with the company as they wanted 54% of the workforce eliminated in bankruptcy two and the judge abrogated, but yet you still cant comprehend that fact.

But yet you continue to spew your hatred and misinformation.

Why did the ibt give concessions at CO and they were not in bankruptcy?

If the ibt is so wonderful, why cant you get the heavy checks in-house?

If the ibt is so great why did they get voted out at WN and NW?

but if they were unable to reach an agreement with the company, why didnt they go on strike? US most likely didnt have scabs waiting in the wings like NWA did?

 

[700UW]

Because the membership voted not to strike and to ratify the final offer(s) from the company.

Weren't you part of fleet during this?