Unionization

[delldude]

under the IAM hearding of the meak

and the flock of meek sheep you may inherit if you get your way....

 

[robbedagain]

well shortly after the vote for strike in round 2 of ch11, we were told by Tony armedio and his pal that the strike authorization passed with a green light to strike. so somewheres along the line either they lied or we were cheated out of those strike cards.

 

[delldude]

well shortly after the vote for strike in round 2 of ch11, we were told by Tony armedio and his pal that the strike authorization passed with a green light to strike. so somewheres along the line either they lied or we were cheated out of those strike cards.

may have passed in PHL but I can attest they were passing out Depends to the masses in PIT.Like why vote to strike when you really didn't want to then mess yourselves with your own results?

 

[Mr Eagle]

The news-media has nothing to do with Siegel and the second vote, see I was there, you weren't. And the second large section of information was not from the media, it came from a court case against HP, straight out of the judges decision.

And when the FAA says you are close to being shut down and you have the largest maintenance fine levied against you, seems right on the money. And if it was not true, why did HP not sue US World News and Report of the Arizona Republic?

Why is it that you ibters can never admit when you are shown to be wrong and why do you complete dodge the issues when shown to be wrong?
And it is here, not hear.

AWA NEVER PAID $5 Million,Or $2.5 Million, We Were able to Make the Maintenance Program A Model For Other AIRLINE's, After Franke Was Encouraged to PURSUE OTHER INTEREST"S By The FAA, That is Where We @ AWA Had A great turn around, That was Also Before the IBT Helped Get A Contract. No We Were NEVER CLOSE TO BEING SHUT DOWN,The FAA HAD TO PLACE SOME PRESSURE ON THE AWA MANAGEMENT FOR THE RELEASE OF THE CEO, (FRANKE). MWW

 

[robbedagain]

may have passed in PHL but I can attest they were passing out Depends to the masses in PIT.Like why vote to strike when you really didn't want to then mess yourselves with your own results?

i know that for fleet, it passed in our city by 21 to 1. not sure about the other cities, but we were told that phl passed it by a huge margin.

 

[700UW]

AWA NEVER PAID $5 Million,Or $2.5 Million, We Were able to Make the Maintenance Program A Model For Other AIRLINE's, After Franke Was Encouraged to PURSUE OTHER INTEREST"S By The FAA, That is Where We @ AWA Had A great turn around, That was Also Before the IBT Helped Get A Contract. No We Were NEVER CLOSE TO BEING SHUT DOWN,The FAA HAD TO PLACE SOME PRESSURE ON THE AWA MANAGEMENT FOR THE RELEASE OF THE CEO, (FRANKE). MWW

This is funny, model?

Model of outsourcing, how much oversight does HP have in El Salvador and at Timco? You had a compliance agreement with the FAA and you could not even add a plane to the fleet without FAA approval.

You were very close ask Piney Bob he was out there I believe when the shutdown almost happened.

The FAA does not make idle threats.

Here is an example of your fine work:

America West Airlines fined for 41,000 safety violations
By Martin McLaughlin
16 July 1998

The Federal Aviation Administration has settled a safety complaint against America West Airlines after the Arizona-based airline agreed to pay $2.5 million in a civil penalty while not making any admission of wrongdoing. The FAA agreed to waive another $2.5 million in penalties provided the airline complies with an agreement to change its maintenance procedures.

The dimensions of the alleged violations of safety regulations are staggering. According to the FAA, 17 America West Airbus A320 jets made 41,000 flights after they were overdue for structural inspections. Airbus Industrie, the European manufacturer of jetliners, notified airlines in 1994 that the A320 jets needed structural inspections of the cargo doors, but America West did not carry them out for two years.

Other violations charged by the FAA include allowing 737 and 757 jets to take off with their cargo improperly secured and putting a 757 jet into service without making a required repair.

While the penalty paid by America West was headlined in the US media as the largest fine in US aviation history, the $2.5 million fine is barely a slap on the wrist for an airline which made record profits of $75 million in 1997.

Given the large number of violations, the fine averages a little over $50 per violation. In other words, the airline is paying less of a penalty for potentially putting hundreds of lives at risk than an ordinary motorist would pay for a traffic ticket.

The cozy relations between the FAA and the airlines it is charged with regulating were exemplified in the language of the agency's press release, which emphasized the "positive manner in which the carrier's management team responded to the allegations."

The settlement was announced on the day of a Senate hearing on legislation, introduced by Arizona Republican John McCain, which would award America West 12 of the 24 new landing slots at Washington's National Airport.

America West has followed in the footsteps of ValuJet and other startup airlines which have gained niches in the industry by outperforming their rivals in cost-cutting. In 1997, according to the company's annual report, it reduced its operating cost per available seat mile by 2.2 percent over 1996, to 7.27 cents, 23 percent less than the average for other domestic airlines.

The company had the highest aircraft utilization rate in the industry, operating its 102 jets an average of 12.3 hours per day, up from 11.8 hours in 1996. It cut its labor costs per seat mile from 1.97 cents in 1995 to 1.77 cents in 1997, mainly by eliminating the jobs of 500 mechanics who performed heavy aircraft maintenance. This work was contracted out in December 1995, and the mechanics fired.

The violations alleged by the FAA included problems with procedures at the contract maintenance bases, and America West agreed to better supervise its subcontractors as part of the settlement of the complaint.

America West's treatment of the mechanics is typical of labor relations in the airline industry, going back to the mass firings of the PATCO air traffic controllers in 1981 by Reagan. Since then airline after airline has broken strikes, fired workers and subcontracted jobs virtually at will.

Once again you post false information, HP paid a fine of $2.5 million, you make this way to easy to prove you wrong each and everytime.

AMERICA WEST AIRLINE HIT WITH $5 MILLION FINE

FAA Charges Airline Lax in Safety Inspections, Compliance with Operating Rules

WASHINGTON, D.C.
America West, the nation's ninth-largest airline, last weekagreed to pay at least half of a $5 million fine as part of its settlementwith the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) over charges of violatingmaintenance and operating rules.

America West agreed to pay $2.5 million immediately, with the remaining finesuspended pending compliance with FAA regulations, the Associated Pressreported.

The airline, accused of failing to inspect aircraft fuselages for cracks andnot properly installing cargo nets to keep baggage from shifting dangerously,admitted no wrongdoing in agreeing to the settlement.

And if you look at the dates, that was in 1998 and in 2000 the FAA again came after your lack of maintenance.

And look, more:

AmWest faces fine from FAA
Maintenance errors may cost $667,050

Hal Mattern
The Arizona Republic
Oct. 24, 2001 12:00 PM

The Federal Aviation Administration is proposing $667,050 in fines against America West Airlines for alleged violations of aircraft maintenance regulations from 1997 to 2000.

Officials of the Tempe-based carrier said Tuesday that they would contest the fines.

The FAA contends that America West operated numerous aircraft in violation of federal regulations, including 13 planes with improper bolts in the elevator systems that control the tail flap for ascending and descending. Another plane made 1,847 flights after a fuel line was improperly repaired, the FAA said in a release outlining the penalties.

America West said the fines are excessive because they stem from actions that occurred before the airline instituted widespread improvements in its maintenance operations last summer.

Officials of the airline also said they voluntarily disclosed many of the violations.

"We had been upfront about the fact that we were not operating a reliable airline at the time, but we have long since addressed the situation," said Jim Sabourin, an America West spokesman. "All of what the FAA is addressing here has long since been fixed. We want to make it clear that this in no way reflects the current state of affairs."

Sabourin said the airline was surprised that the fines were announced so long after the violations were identified and the problems corrected. FAA officials were unavailable for comment Tuesday.

This isn't the first time America West has run afoul of FAA regulations. In July 1998, the agency fined the airline $5 million for maintenance violations that included overdue inspections during the previous two years. Half the fine was waived in July 1999 after the FAA determined that America West had complied with required improvements.

Since August 2000, America West has been improving its maintenance record, resulting in improvements in flight cancellations and on-time performance. Customer complaints have declined by 55 percent, and the airline was filling nearly 80 percent of its available seats before the Sept. 11 attacks caused a sharp decline in air travel.

Gee more fines after HP settled with the FAA, yep you sure do have a model of a maintenance program, one not to follow!

You make this way too easy, shall I continue?

well shortly after the vote for strike in round 2 of ch11, we were told by Tony armedio and his pal that the strike authorization passed with a green light to strike. so somewheres along the line either they lied or we were cheated out of those strike cards.

A strike vote is conducted system-wide and totaled, not just one station, and it is a moot point anyhow your group ratified the final offer, thereby eliminating the need for a strike.

 

[delldude]

I'd bet the repairmen had a lot to do with these fines....and a couple GSE A&P wanna bees....

 

[robbedagain]

700, i was using our city as an example. i know that fleet had authorized a strike vote before the hubs and pvd and bdl ratified the contract.

 

[gonzo]

You make this way too easy, shall I continue?

ROFL.....when you fail to comprehend what is being said then it is easy.....we don't what to stop you from your goal, please continue.

AWA has been close to "closing its doors" several times in the past. The company making that statement is necessary in order for the CEO to look good when the "doors" don't close. I know.....it's hard for you to understand. The group of people that are part of the Maintenance Program at AWA are some of the best in the business. The company policies and actions are out of their control. You can put your usual "slant" on that situation as you like, but the people do excellent work. Since you are not an AMT then I would not expect you to understand any of the situation. You just know how to "copy and paste". Have fun.🙂

 

[AIRWOMAN]

ROFL.....when you fail to comprehend what is being said then it is easy.....we don't what to stop you from your goal, please continue.

AWA has been close to "closing its doors" several times in the past. The company making that statement is necessary in order for the CEO to look good when the "doors" don't close. I know.....it's hard for you to understand. The group of people that are part of the Maintenance Program at AWA are some of the best in the business. The company policies and actions are out of their control. You can put your usual "slant" on that situation as you like, but the people do excellent work. Since you are not an AMT then I would not expect you to understand any of the situation. You just know how to "copy and paste". Have fun.🙂

And some of those "close to closing the doors" and letters of possible lay offs and/or shutting the airline down had NOTHING to do with maintenance, the FAA, fines, etc. Union contract issues was one of those that I remember quite clearly.

Both sides have had "issues" as all airlines do. What good does it do to point out the flaws of the other??

 

[delldude]

And some of those "close to closing the doors" and letters of possible lay offs and/or shutting the airline down had NOTHING to do with maintenance, the FAA, fines, etc. Union contract issues was one of those that I remember quite clearly.

Both sides have had "issues" as all airlines do. What good does it do to point out the flaws of the other??

and what union or unions would that be...and why?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

and what union or unions would that be...and why?

Flight Attendants.......contract.......or lack of.

 

[insp89]

There was only ONE vote on the final offer in the last bankruptcy case.

And the reasoning (which I don't agree with the revote on the first concessions in 2002) was clearly explained because of Siegel and the membership could have voted the same way, but they didn't.

700, Why do you continue to defend the IAM on their PATHETIC decision to RE-vote ??
Please continue your usual tap dance about which bankrupcy is in question..

Your continued [slippery] way of avoiding the FACT that the IAM did indeed dis-respect the first and only vote that counted,[FIRST BANKRUPCY] is one of the Primary reasons the IAM is facing a potential de-certification.

 

[700UW]

I am not defending it, guess you did not see where I said I did not agree with it, I just explained it, too hard see that?

 

[insp89]

I am not defending it, guess you did not see where I said I did not agree with it, I just explained it, too hard see that?

What I do "see" is that you attempt to justify the second vote due to the different outcome of the second vote.

If you are going to re-vote, Why stop at just the second vote ?
How about best two out of three ?