US Airways Pilots Labor Thread 12/8-12/15

[Richard]

Continue discussion here and remember DO NOT MAKE IT PERSONAL.

 

[pilotn79]

Annswer the question. Did the East agree to binding arbitration?

It is a simple yes or no.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Annswer the question. Did the East agree to binding arbitration?

Their answer is irrelevent. Judge Wake knows what's going on.

 

[cubfan]

Hey where's the that crack negotiating teams update? Word is that the company told them that the Nic. was it and there would be no further talks on the matter, let's see how they spin this one. I bet they don't even mention it. Oh yeah and why are those scabs taking concessions on west book? fine group of folks you got over there.

fodase,

please.........crack negotiating teams, scabs taking concessions, why are you so bitter? Just sit back and let the dust settle. Letting this whole thing engulf your life isn't healthy. Do you really feel that every facet of the union wakes up every morning just to see how they can screw you? I truely think that the NIC will prevail, I also think that 95%+ are ready to move on, strong feelings are present on both sides of the MISSISSIPPI and I applaud both sides for their fight. I hope soon both sides can come together to get what we really need, a decent contract, and a profitable airline. Some day I will need to ride your jumpseat, I hope NIC4 is the Capt. I will extend my hand to you and I hope you accept, but I guess it's really all Capt. discretion. Sit back, enjoy the cardinals winning the division, their first since being in Chicago, have a safe and happy holiday with family and friends.

 

[pilotn79]

Their answer is irrelevent. Judge Wake knows what's going on.

I noticed they had a problem answering the question on the closed thread. It seems that yes or no is not part of their vocabulary. To borrow a quote, "They can't handle the truth".

 

[electricjet98]

hp fa,

You've been a little quiet lately. Have you had a chance to look at Judge Wake's rulings? Any educated opinions?

 

[hp_fa]

I'm here. I just try and stay out of the purely emotional fight unless I feel the need to correct a factual error or misunderstanding.

My "educated opinion" is that Judge Wake saw or heard sufficient information to order a trial in the matter. That would at least indicate that he may be inclined to have sympathy for the West position. However it now will come down to what can be proven at trial and he is also acting as the trier-of-fact since it will be a bench trial. It will all come down to what is proven, and to what degree, that will determine whether or not he grants relief.

I read his Order and I believe he ruled appropriately in regards to the Company. I have found it interesting in the last day or so to see the assertion somewhere on this board that the Company has allegedly told USAPA that it has no interest in visiting any seniority list other than the Nicolau list. Because I am limited in my ability to gather facts (or opinions) from places other than this message board and that the validity of those facts can be questionable I take this all with a grain of salt. With that in mind it does appear that the Company may have changed their position regarding the merged seniority list after Judge Wake's original Order in which he dismissed the Company but retained the jurisdiction to revisit that decision if and when more facts are presented to justify the continuation of any action filed against the Company by AWAPPA and the other plaintiffs. If I am correct in how I read these tea leaves it would indicate that the Company is making sure that it is in compliance with Judge Wake's ruling and is pursuing policies in order to stay clear of this action and his Court.

I would look forward to seeing a copy of whatever Order he issues after the next status hearing on or about December 15th. While that6 Order will likely not be dispositive of any issues, it may shed some light on the thinking of the Court. If anyone gets a copy of it feel free to PM me with it if it does not get posted.

There Electricjet, does it seem like I have still been here?

 

[electricjet98]

Thanks hp fa,

I'm curious as to the availability you have of the various filings by the separate parties. Kudos to USAPA (I never thought I would be saying that!) for posting the documents in a rather timely manner. Although some here made excuses for this oversight, I'm glad that USAPA corrected that failing. Do you go through the courts system and have access to all filings?

 

[hp_fa]

I have no access unless I go down to the Court, pay to use PACER or someone sends me a copy. I have no access to any party's message boards and as a non-litigant I fully understand why I should not have access to any party's internal message board.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Annswer the question. Did the East agree to binding arbitration?

It is a simple yes or no.

As opposed to what, a wrestling match, a chess game? East and west didn't have any choice. I would have preferred to mediate and negotiate with no time limit, until we finally reached compromise. But we were obligated to use ALPA's process and timeline.

 

[fodase]

As opposed to what, a wrestling match, a chess game? East and west didn't have any choice. I would have preferred to mediate and negotiate with no time limit, until we finally reached compromise. But we were obligated to use ALPA's process and timeline.

Funny, and what is the new law of the land? oh yeah, binding arbitration, just like alpa. Now you will get the Nic. and you will pay damages to the west thru your dues and you will still be under loa 93. Smart.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Funny, and what is the new law of the land? oh yeah, binding arbitration, just like alpa. Now you will get the Nic. and you will pay damages to the west thru your dues and you will still be under loa 93. Smart.

I will get the Nic, if and when I vote for the Nic. Me and a few thousand others.

BTW, can you vote?

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Any one expecting a quick resolution is fooling themselves. This will be settled on appeal sometime not in 2009. It doesn't matter who wins the upcoming trial, USAPA or AOL.

 

[Elevation]

It doesn't matter who wins the upcoming trial, USAPA or AOL.

If that isn't the understatement of the year...

 

[V1cut]

I have lots of friends here out East with late '80's hire dates who have all said they have lost everything ...but will not let their seniority go with a fight to the bitter end on this...

All you westies should expect the bitter battle you have proclaimed...

You're going to get it....if it takes years of appellate processes...

Happy trails...