US Pilot labor thread 12/2-12/8

[Megasnoop]

From usapawatch.com

Ah, usapawatch, the ultimate in aviation no-spin zones. But that being said,

The seniority integration is under litigation and he will comply with the Courts ruling.

DUH! court battle could drag out from 3 to 36 months, depending on the ruling and who appeals, for how long and who has the deepest pockets.

The east pilots have been offered 18% raises that will cost $122 million/year. USAPAs ask is in far excess of what the company can afford in this environment.

With Parkers $488 Million loss in the hedge market, no wonder the company cant afford anymore. Not sure they can afford the $122M. And just a few months ago, the company was "training" our over-fuelers in the ways of fuel conservation. Maybe we should train them on gambling in the hedge market.

But 18%? None for the west? Ah, parity! You westies interested in that? forgot, cant vote if you dont join. little birdie says only susie holding out, not paying. others ponied up.

The Cactus call sign is no longer creating any problems with ATC and is not a safety issue.

No problem in France for sure. They wont use "Cactus," were Alpha Wiskie Echo 700 over there. Note to file: stay clear of frog airspace.

The most memorable moment in the whole episode was the self announced illegal job action by the former Mid Atlantic E170 pilot who now flies mainline 737s. In asking his question about longevity he indicated to Mr. Parker that he would burn more fuel to convey his anger and disappointment with the company. We would suggest to this pilot that he receives better (or some counsel) before speaking at the next company meeting.

You got Captain T-shirt. We got First Officer Dumb-zzzz. Lucky hes only an FO and will be for years, NIC or DOH. East CAs dont put up with that crap. Back east, seniority does matter. Counseling? This guy needs a good zzz-whooping, THEN some long-term counseling.

We must wonder out loud if this is the type of behavior the self appointed USAPA leadership suggests when they ask us to Be Good Union Pilots?

Any member-in-good standing can run for the top usapa positions this spring. key word: "member" Snooper

 

[Pi brat]

Very simple question for our Easty pilots:

Did you, or did you not agree to binding arbitration to settle the seniority integration?

Easy question, yes or no.

No

 

[fodase]

No

The delusion continues...

 

[Megasnoop]

QUOTE (N905TW @ Dec 7 2008, 02:29 PM)
Very simple question for our Easty pilots:
Did you, or did you not agree to binding arbitration to settle the seniority integration?
Easy question, yes or no.

No

Pi brats right. ALPO agreed to BA. but then, they WERE our cba. And after it was over, ALPO took a powder on enforcing it. the conflict of interest thing. ALPO could have thrown the east into trusteeship for allegedly walking out of negotiations, but they didnt. Still not sure why all the grief and daily circular firing squad. this will be settled in court, sooner or later. whats the point in whipping ourselves into a frenzy every day? snooper

 

[N905TW]

Pi brats right. ALPO agreed to BA. but then, they WERE our cba. And after it was over, ALPO took a powder on enforcing it. the conflict of interest thing. ALPO could have thrown the east into trusteeship for allegedly walking out of negotiations, but they didnt. Still not sure why all the grief and daily circular firing squad. this will be settled in court, sooner or later. whats the point in whipping ourselves into a frenzy every day? snooper

You agreed to the arbitration just as much as our side did.

The rest is all fluff and filler. It didn't turn out your way, now you want a do-over.

It isn't going to happen.

 

[InternationalShannon]

Oh my gosh, if we get a single contract any time soon for you firecrackers, I dont think I want to be anywhere near the cockpit and possibly not even on the plane.

 

[nic4us]

You are flat out wrong about this! It was not an insult, it was a defense of our group. If I am, or one of my fellow pilots is called a collective bunch of losers, you better bet I will answer that. It has nothing to do with the west pilots. That you could find that it did says something.

I have many friends on the west and I have been a jump seater, dead header, and paying passenger on west metal. The only thing close to a bad experience I've had is a F/O that refused to shake my hand and turned and looked out the window, and that hardly hurt my feelings. Everyone else was professional and very nice to me, as I was to them and will be to any west employee, just like I am to the east.

Pi Brat,

You are of course welcome on West metal anytime I am in command, and hopefully the majority if not all and any other times as well.

I respect that east pilots defend and support each other, I have mentioned this to nycbusdriver numerous times. We on the West will do the same and rightfully so.

Recently EastUS poked fun a the "Integrity Matters" slogan. But in the end it most certainly does. I know you have it, as does Cubfan, Piedmont84 and probably the majority of east pilots, that is why it is such a great motto, you all get it.

 

[Megasnoop]

You agreed to the arbitration just as much as our side did.

The rest is all fluff and filler. It didn't turn out your way, now you want a do-over.

It isn't going to happen.

Sorry about the filler and fluff, big guy. But Ive made it clear over in I dont know how many posts, how this all turns out isnt going to affect me much, Nic or Doh. With my age and seniority (either nic or doh), unless I want to move or commute, Ill spend the rest of my career riding right seat or IRO across the atlantic. I wasnt an ALPO membr when this all came down. And I dont remember ever asking for a do-over, but feel free to sort thru my postings over the past 4 years. Just this all is going to take ages to sort out and both sides are too polarized to compromise. Maybe you ought to redirect your anger toward parker and his $488 Million fuel hedge gamble that went south. thats where your pay raise went. snooper

 

[Pi brat]

You agreed to the arbitration just as much as our side did.

The rest is all fluff and filler. It didn't turn out your way, now you want a do-over.

It isn't going to happen.

You asked a simple question, I gave you a simple answer. No one at ALPA came to me and asked my opinion. When I gave it, it was ignored.

We all know what ALPA merger policy said.

 

[Freighterguynow]

It didn't turn out your way, now you want a do-over.

It isn't going to happen.

No, I want a process that moves me forward rather than being concessionary.

I hope it doesn't happen either. No joint contract equals continued separate ops ( as confirmed by your judge ). Suits me fine.

 

[Pi brat]

Pi Brat,

You are of course welcome on West metal anytime I am in command, and hopefully the majority if not all and any other times as well.

I respect that east pilots defend and support each other, I have mentioned this to nycbusdriver numerous times. We on the West will do the same and rightfully so.

Recently EastUS poked fun a the "Integrity Matters" slogan. But in the end it most certainly does. I know you have it, as does Cubfan, Piedmont84 and probably the majority of east pilots, that is why it is such a great motto, you all get it.

Thanks nic, I get and admire you guys standing up for each other. We don't agree on the award, but I think we have more alike than different.

All west are welcome on airplane too.

 

[Pi brat]

Oh my gosh, if we get a single contract any time soon for you firecrackers, I dont think I want to be anywhere near the cockpit and possibly not even on the plane.

Shannon,

Once this is over things will settle down. The 5% will never get over it, but most will. When you start working together and find out the other guy really isn't an ax murderer, it gets better. Heck, rustheads are some of my favorite people, 20 years later!

See ya at Wendy's.....

 

[sharktooth]

Very simple question for our Easty pilots:

Did you, or did you not agree to binding arbitration to settle the seniority integration?

Easy question, yes or no.

No, we did not.

 

[sharktooth]

You agreed to the arbitration just as much as our side did.

The rest is all fluff and filler. It didn't turn out your way, now you want a do-over.

It isn't going to happen.

No, the east did not agree to that. No do-over, simply reality. Live with it.

 

[USPHX]

No problem in France for sure. They wont use "Cactus," were Alpha Wiskie Echo 700 over there. Note to file: stay clear of frog airspace.

ROFLMAO

Alpha Whiskey Echo..as in AWE??? Whoa, that sounds to me a lot like America West Express! Damn, maybe the French aren't so bad after all! Gotta give 'em credit, even across the pond they recognize that US Airways (east) is really just a subsidiary of Tempe based America West Airlines and the NEW US Airways is nothing more than America West in drag!

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Come on Eastyz, it will just take one of you to break down with a sincere apology to a Westy about the debacle that is USAPA and the floodgdates of healing will be open. Your sincere apology WILL be accepted and one by one, one human being to another we can start the steps of healing that will allow us to move on together and build a kick a** airline.

Until then, as Marie Antoinette supposedly snarled to her peasants from her palace balcony:

"Let them eat cake! (bread)"

or as Bradford is saying from his soap box to his pilots:

"Let them live with LOA 93!"

Vive le France!