US Pilot labor thread 12/2-12/8

[sharktooth]

Alpha Whiskey Echo..as in AWE??? Whoa, that sounds to me a lot like America West Express! Damn, maybe the French aren't so bad after all! Gotta give 'em credit, even across the pond they recognize that US Airways (east) is really just a subsidiary of Tempe based America West Airlines and the NEW US Airways is nothing more than America West in drag!

In drag, you said it all.

Perhaps the French are not a idiotic as Americans.

Yeah, I hate the idiotic call-sign change, only because it is cretinous and idiotic, supporting egos, rather than safety. Should someone get injured or killed, I will be right there, ensuring that those maliciously negligent tempe fools will get their time to explain themselves to a jury. Love to see some on the short end of a rope.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Pi Brat,

You are of course welcome on West metal anytime I am in command, and hopefully the majority if not all and any other times as well.

I respect that east pilots defend and support each other, I have mentioned this to nycbusdriver numerous times. We on the West will do the same and rightfully so.

Recently EastUS poked fun a the "Integrity Matters" slogan. But in the end it most certainly does. I know you have it, as does Cubfan, Piedmont84 and probably the majority of east pilots, that is why it is such a great motto, you all get it.

Thanks nic, I get and admire you guys standing up for each other. We don't agree on the award, but I think we have more alike than different.

All west are welcome on airplane too.

Aw....group hug?

Sing Out, Louise!

(Is that Doug Parker in the center?)





Seriously, though, I agree that most of both sides are more in tune than might appear on these message boards. But unfortunately for each and every one of us, the drama must now play out to its bitter end before we can get beyond the bitterness.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Shannon,

Once this is over things will settle down. The 5% will never get over it, but most will. When you start working together and find out the other guy really isn't an ax murderer, it gets better. Heck, rustheads are some of my favorite people, 20 years later!

See ya at Wendy's.....

Pi,
I totally agree. While I vehemently disagree with some of my fellow posters here I do consider myself a professional and I am capable of putting aside differences while I work... Heck the easties I know have proven that we will get over this. Who knows when, but we will get over it...

(tongue-in-cheek) Until then UP YOURS EVERYBODY! 😉

 

[Tiger 1050]

In drag, you said it all.

Perhaps the French are not a idiotic as Americans.

Yeah, I hate the idiotic call-sign change, only because it is cretinous and idiotic, supporting egos, rather than safety. Should someone get injured or killed, I will be right there, ensuring that those maliciously negligent tempe fools will get their time to explain themselves to a jury. Love to see some on the short end of a rope.

That's a little dramatic don't you think? You're a professional. Deal with it like one...

 

[cleardirect]

In drag, you said it all.

Perhaps the French are not a idiotic as Americans.

Yeah, I hate the idiotic call-sign change, only because it is cretinous and idiotic, supporting egos, rather than safety. Should someone get injured or killed, I will be right there, ensuring that those maliciously negligent tempe fools will get their time to explain themselves to a jury. Love to see some on the short end of a rope.

Shark,

COMMENT DELETED BY MODERATOR Almost everyone else in the aviation business has changed call signs once in a while. Military pilots change call signs. People move to new airlines all the time. Are you and some east pilots simply unable to deal with any change?

COMMENT DELETED BY MODERATOR Unless you forgot the Feds signed off on this. The company delayed the implementation for a year. Hogg stated in the last crew that the safety department has found no problems.

Maybe you could point to one or two situations that were fatal crashes attributed to a call sign?

Professional pilots deal with changing situations all the time. Step and deal with it.

 

[EastUS]

Let me explain why we voiced opposition. Like every other group, self preservation, aka "it's all about me", is a high priorty (although most won't admit it).

Nice attitude. I guess that just demonstrates the core differences between the east and the west. Sad.

"Like every other group, self preservation, aka "it's all about me", is a high priorty (although most won't admit it)."

You merely make a blanket assumption that, by presumed reasons of your own limited perspectives, you "naturally" assume to be universal, and it's just plain wrong. A brief history lesson follows, given with very small hopes of enhancing your perspectives. Your much beloved, "Integrity" ridden west guys/gals started up an "Army" of Leonidas, (actually just a buncha' mouthpieces/lawyers) with much posted rhetoric about how the "heroic", (and of course."integrity rich) west pilots were just like the spartan soldiers of King Leonidas. (Umm...hmmm..sure...if you all say so) Note the following about the actual Army of Leonidas; They marched off to knowingly face completely impossible odds, against a persian host conservatively estimated at over 200,000. King Leonidas was asked of his wife what she could do to help his mission. He said to her that she should marry a good man, raise fine children, and live a good life. Did the great King much concern himself with ANY aspect of "It's ALL about MEEE!"???. I'd go with a resounding NO there. Did the actual Leonidas have INTEGRITY? = You bet. Your bunch out there, drowining in self-righteous fantasies..and "heroically" paying smarmy lawyers to be their pretended "soldiers"? = Not so much. Can you even yet conceive of living ANY part of a life NOT based entirely on "It's ALL about MEEE!"? Perhaps not, if you assume that total self interest rules the day for all human beings at all times. Youth and inexperience may serve as effective blinders with that...give it some time...there's always hope.

"I guess that just demonstrates the core differences between the east and the west. Sad"

 

[cleardirect]

Very simple question for our Easty pilots:

Did you, or did you not agree to binding arbitration to settle the seniority integration?

Easy question, yes or no.

No, we did not.

If “weâ€￾ did not. Then who did? Who is we? Define the group “weâ€￾.

 

[EastUS]

Pi Brat,

You are of course welcome on West metal anytime I am in command, and hopefully the majority if not all and any other times as well.

Recently EastUS poked fun a the "Integrity Matters" slogan. But in the end it most certainly does.

We have no argument on that much. No matter how many "up yurzz!"..."NO!, up Yurzz!!" exchanges are posted, there's just no excuse I can find for treating each other with ANY disrespect in the workplace, much less the flightdeck itself.

 

[EastUS]

You, once again, failed to explain to me how I am wrong. Facts are Facts and, once again, you fail to understand that.

I may have missed some great subtle truths in whatever you presume your "argument" was/is. Insofar as I can ciscern, thewest postion, upon which all "Integrity" seems to be based, amounts to:

1) The east were "represented" by Alpo.
2) Everthing Alpo ever did (prior to it's removal at the first real opportunity that is) was the "fault" of every single east pilot.
3) Even though the west pilts had earlier failed to do what the east eventually did = Dump Alpo,..well...Alpo gave you Nic, so any/all Alpoid "processes" are nowadays imagined to be "Fair and Equitable"...and of course...the entire west group now enthusiastically supports the "Righteous" Alpo product.
4) USAPA is now your collective bargaining agent and legally established union..and yet...NOTHING that USAPA does is in ANY way the fault of the west.
5) This sorry hypocrisy now magically entitles you all to raise self-proclaimed, but entirely fantasized, banners of "INTEGRITY MATTERS".

OK..I may just be "simple" myself. Please explain again just exactly how ANY of this pure horse-hockey actually makes sense to anyone out west?

 

[EastUS]

Aw....group hug?

Awww Heck..why not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtPF9M3nIHs

 

[fodase]

Hey where's the that crack negotiating teams update? Word is that the company told them that the Nic. was it and there would be no further talks on the matter, let's see how they spin this one. I bet they don't even mention it. Oh yeah and why are those scabs taking concessions on west book? fine group of folks you got over there.

 

[Elevation]

Not one mention of the DOH proposal or the companies response in the latest NAC. DOH, USAPA's driving theme and not a mention ...wierd :blink:

 

[nostradamus]

Not one mention of the DOH proposal or the companies response in the latest NAC. DOH, USAPA's driving theme and not a mention ...wierd :blink:

Keep working hard for your badge backers.

 

[tazz]

Keep working hard for your badge backers.

Sure beats working hard to allow you people to put us at the bottom of the seniority list after we've already spent millions on BINDING arbitration resulting in fair placement. You guys are just so frustrated that we won't let you walk all over us. Pity.

 

[tazz]

No, the east did not agree to that. No do-over, simply reality. Live with it.

Sharktooth, newsflash big guy, your side most certainly did agree to binding arbitrtation. As a former merger committee member I was around when your side threatened us with it stating that we would not like the outcome when third parties get involved. You had been there before. You knew. You did agree and now want a do over. Grow up and accept responsibility for your actions.