US Pilot labor thread 12/2-12/8

[EastUS]

QUOTE (EyeInTheSky @ Dec 2 2008, 07:37 PM)
I am not a pilot or a US Airways employee. Just a concerned customer hoping that big boys can play nicely. Personally, it's just not right to place someone with single-digits of service to a company OVER someone with double-digits of service to a company. Those that think that is the right thing to do are pond scum in my book.

Later,

Let me introduce myself..in your book I am pond scum..in my book you are misinformed and ignorant of what transpired. But I will give you the benefir of the doubt and assume you do not support an attempt at stealing a co-workers job or seniority..in my book we have a name for that also.

Sheesh! Doesn't take much time for the waters to be disturbed it would seem. Just a couple of observations = Were your postion one of ultimate virtue..would any casual observers easilly attatch "Pond Scum" to it? Second thought = If you all truly believe you're so very "Right' out there..Why fret yourselves over such an observation? Who are you trying to convince besides yourselves?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Yes, mate, I read the CBL's....

Then you're aware that prior to the recent changes only the local "council" (or whatever the correct terminology) could approve membership applications, by vote of attending members at a local "council" meeting.

You do correctly point out that USAPA had violated it's own C&BL by bestowing membership without following the process contained in it's C&BL.

Jim

 

[des nudo]

des nudo

Since you are so read up on current events.. try reading the depositions of a number of west pilots in the current lawsuit that tried to become USAPA reps but were turned down. They were rejected by USAPA not harrassed by the West. Why, you might ask were they turned down? Because USAPA did not want any West reps or West input or West influence in their affairs. USAPA's intent is to steal from the West they cannot have reps ruining their game plan.

Wrong, mate...you add your pure twist at the end...I know bloody well why they weren't accepted, and so do you...they had to agree to uphold the CBL's of DOH....thats it

And they couldn't...
ALPA would do the same thing.

Try again, mate.

 

[des nudo]

And Jim

I also correctly point out the problem with the DFR case the west has...of course, you omit that detail.

One could argue that in their zeal for west membership, that under duress from the west objectors, they approved whomever they could...lets say...

Susie.

Now Susie doesn't "really" want to be a member, she just filled out a form
(checking the box, so to speak)
USAPA accepts her petition for membership, she doesn't follow through and becomes delinquent under section 29....

You know the rest, so do I..and so does Nic4us....

and this is the problem with many parts of their DFR case...poor Susie, and her 3 friends...they got accepted (even if it was a workaround due to premeditated lack of west participation)

That ends the "we couldn't even join" crying rag the west is selling to the judge.

I think I've shown the circles the west is arguing in these days....

"I'm in!"...( but I don't want to be in...)
I'm out!...and I'll go to court showing why...(Susie)

I'm out!...(and they wouldn't let me in until recent changes to CBLs.)

 

[nic4us]

Wrong, mate...you add your pure twist at the end...I know bloody well why they weren't accepted, and so do you...they had to agree to uphold the CBL's of DOH....thats it

And they couldn't...
ALPA would do the same thing.

Try again, mate.

Okay..you are correct..they would not agree to uphold the CBL's DOH POS. No West pilot will. Well maybe you could have gotten the 8 West furloughs transfering east....read collusion between the company and USAPA.... to be reps,but they did not volunteer either.

One more thing..whats a marmy?

 

[ableoneable]

And Jim

I also correctly point out the problem with the DFR case the west has...of course, you omit that detail.

One could argue that in their zeal for west membership, that under duress from the west objectors, they approved whomever they could...lets say...

Susie.

Now Susie doesn't "really" want to be a member, she just filled out a form
(checking the box, so to speak)
USAPA accepts her petition for membership, she doesn't follow through and becomes delinquent under section 29....

You know the rest, so do I..and so does Nic4us....

and this is the problem with many parts of their DFR case...poor Susie, and her 3 friends...they got accepted (even if it was a workaround due to premeditated lack of west participation)

That ends the "we couldn't even join" crying rag the west is selling to the judge.

I think I've shown the circles the west is arguing in these days....

"I'm in!"...( but I don't want to be in...)
I'm out!...and I'll go to court showing why...(Susie)

I'm out!...(and they wouldn't let me in until recent changes to CBLs.)

Try grasping this basic concept: membership in a union and a union's duty to provide fair representation are completely separate issues and are treated as such by the courts, mate.

 

[des nudo]

Thanks for at least being honest, mate.

It's slang down here for "head games"...

There big at it in Perth.

cheers

 

[BoeingBoy]

they got accepted (even if it was a workaround

You're right - USAPA's "workaround" violated it's own C&BL, making those membership "grants" invalid. Wonder how loud the chorus would have been if ALPA invented a "workaround" whenever it's C&BL's were inconvenient...oh, they did - not holding a CLT LEC meeting so a recall vote couldn't occur - and the chorus has been pretty loud. For the faithful, though, USAPA can do no wrong.

Jim

 

[des nudo]

You're right - USAPA's "workaround" violated it's own C&BL, making those membership "grants" invalid. Wonder how loud the chorus would have been if ALPA invented a "workaround" whenever it's C&BL's were inconvenient...oh, they did - not holding a CLT LEC meeting so a recall vote couldn't occur - and the chorus has been pretty loud. For the faithful, though, USAPA can do no wrong.

Jim

Since you're big into "mental gymnastics" Jim, why don't you stay on topic here...you argued a position about the CBLs...I just proved your argument is faulty...by way of Miss Susie....and now you talk about ALPA and CLT LEC?

Who's talking about ALPA here?

And, for kicks, are you suggesting ALPA has never been in some "violation" of their ever-changing CBL's...?

Don't be a panda about this. You argue in the same circles as the west, and when you get pinned, (as you just did) you change channels....just like the west.

 

[des nudo]

And since you west blokes are ganging up on me here, I'll answer en mass'

Since your Susie deal ruins the " I was prevented from joining" claims...

The " I wasn't consulted in USAPA's CBL's, therefore, I'm harmed"...claim:

Show us the questionaire ALPA gave you when you got ALPA on the property...I'd like to see your "signature of approval" on their CBL's upon your joining that union.


I'll wait and have a pint.

 

[nostradamus]

You're right - USAPA's "workaround" violated it's own C&BL, making those membership "grants" invalid. Wonder how loud the chorus would have been if ALPA invented a "workaround" whenever it's C&BL's were inconvenient...oh, they did - not holding a CLT LEC meeting so a recall vote couldn't occur - and the chorus has been pretty loud. For the faithful, though, USAPA can do no wrong.

Jim

Your quote from an earlier post you had no knowledge of your surroundings, now you see things a little more clearly, convenient.

Your quote;
Boeing Boy quote below about being with alpa during loa 93


" "While I'll be glad to admit knowing the results of permanent bids before they were posted in the bases - at least the bid closings I participated in (something of a requirement since they couldn't be posted till the committee signed off on them). I'll admit to being able to see what individual pilot's bids were - useful when trying to determine if a pilot really meant to bid from Group I capt to Group II F/O or was shooting themselves in the foot. I guess that's supposed to make me a party to some nefarious, secret plot to strip pilots of something or other - at least in your mind.

When you've got something concrete get back to me..." "

Jim

 

[des nudo]

Thanks, Nostra....seems our friend Jim is in a huddle over this...

The "Cactus Light" must be shining on the face of the moon in the western US tonight...

Funny.

 

[nostradamus]

???? Why are you here, and why would we then care about how you feel about 'our seniority'?

 

[N924PS]

Thanks, Nostra....seems our friend Jim is in a huddle over this...

The "Cactus Light" must be shining on the face of the moon in the western US tonight...

Funny.

So what time is it in Perth there mate?

Or are you at your computer in Cranberry PA, just pretending.

The only Aussie I knew at East retired about 4 years ago. And he rarely said "mate".

Funny.

 

[ableoneable]

Eye is a former east pilot with an axe to grind. His statement that he is merely a "concerned customer" is disingenuous at best.