US pilot labor thread 6/28-7/4

[luvn737s]

Maybe I stuttered..we are ALL DISPLACED AT THE SAME TIME...ON THE SAME BID...ON THE SAME DATE.

Under your premise, how will we go out?

eyes?

hair?

straight teeth?

Easy cowboy, you sure are getting emotional about this. Filling of vacancies is a different section than agency shop. I think if you look at your contract, you'll see how people are displaced, but that really has nothing to do with this argument.

I would doubt you'll see any improvement in 190 rates. There's more negotiating capital in spinning them off to Republic, etc. and mitigating some of the inevitable concessions that will come in trying to buy a DOH list.

I've said before, and I still think that if the company is faced with terminating 1800 pilots, they will use that as leverage to justify more or less time at the negotiating table. The west has danced with this management crowd for many years and knows their style. They don't do anything that doesn't benefit them directly.

Again, it will be fun to watch. 😀 😀

 

[AAA73Pilot]

Why do you think that the company would agree to changing the 190 rate?

Are you serious? Geez. Ah.....As part of a joint contract? Depends on how bad we all want one. Right now ole Doug has a little egg on his face for botching this merger. If he really wants to do a deal in the future with someone he better find a way to put this one together. The pilots inherited a little egg also for agreeing to the pay rates. So we each have a little cleaning up to do.

 

[Leonidas]

I wasn't going to go here, but...well...here I go anyway.

I hope the west enjoys LOA 93 as much as we have...because there's no way the East can raise their side of the fence..(oil) IMO....so, to all you westies who have been rolling over and over in the fact that the East has LOA93...

welcome to the machine, baby.

heck, I'd like to offer that to fix the 190 issue, while we're at it...

(actually, thats not true...I NEVER want to negotiate backwards....but there's a few smug westies that should "own" LOA 93..)
😉

I'm sure that will be the case, usapa has said has much, your scab role will just solidify.

 

[Leonidas]

You asked for my opinion. I just gave you one possible way. There are others. Ultimately it's up to the company to make that determination of who's first. How about you? Since you want to be the one to file a discrimination charge. I have no problem with who the company picks from a list forwarded by the union.

You are full of crap, usapa is has to request for the company to fire someone, so the first to be fired will be the one's usapa requests.
So how will they pick?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

You are full of crap, usapa is has to request for the company to fire someone, so the first to be fired will be the one's usapa requests.
So how will they pick?

If I were doin' the pickin', and I'm not, I'd get rid of the trouble makers FIRST. That would be the ones that are MISLEADING their compatriots into thinking that it's okay to "buck the system". I'd start with the guys named in the lawsuit.

USAPA doesn't have to request ANYTHING. all they have to do is give a list of offenders to the company. The the company HAS TO TERMINATE them, unless they pay up.

Happens everyday in all sorts of agency shops. Oh, and state "right-to-work" laws won't help. The RLA is a FEDERAL law.

And, don't forget your paper hat!

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I would doubt you'll see any improvement in 190 rates. There's more negotiating capital in spinning them off to Republic, etc. and mitigating some of the inevitable concessions that will come in trying to buy a DOH list.

I've said before, and I still think that if the company is faced with terminating 1800 pilots, they will use that as leverage to justify more or less time at the negotiating table. The west has danced with this management crowd for many years and knows their style. They don't do anything that doesn't benefit them directly.

It all depends on what gets negotiated doesn't it? Or buy the Nic? There is a downside on that aspect also. I wonder which one will cost the company less. I want a DOH list, you want the Nic. Wonder which one Doug will go for?

First off, you don't have 1800 pilots. Second, after the furloughs, there might be somewhere around 1450 westies at jeopardy over the dues. Plus about 150 easties. (Reducing daily) Last I heard there were about 140 out on medical, mil. leave etc. They are not dues payers. Coupled with 175 furloughees, that totals 315 all estimated. So, just because you have "danced" with this management before, doesn't mean we have been out negotiated by Glass either. That is why we demanded a professional negotiator. Yea, yea I know. You don't think much of our choice so save your diatribe.

 

[Leonidas]

If I were doin' the pickin', and I'm not, I'd get rid of the trouble makers FIRST. That would be the ones that are MISLEADING their compatriots into thinking that it's okay to "buck the system". I'd start with the guys named in the lawsuit.

USAPA doesn't have to request ANYTHING. all they have to do is give a list of offenders to the company. The the company HAS TO TERMINATE them, unless they pay up.

Happens everyday in all sorts of agency shops. Oh, and state "right-to-work laws won't help. The RLA is a FEDERAL law.

And, don't forget your paper hat!

Wrong, usapa has to request in writing for a specific person to be fired, I am sure they will enjpy that process very much.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Wrong, usapa has to request in writing for a specific person to be fired, I am sure they will enjpy that process very much.

I sure would.
But, how does that differ from giving a list of offenders to the company?

I'm waiting......

By the way, USAPA won't be firing you, the company will. Have a nice new career. So, how many $5 subs do you think you can make in a day?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

You are full of crap, usapa is has to request for the company to fire someone, so the first to be fired will be the one's usapa requests.
So how will they pick?

I am? You really think so? Good!! I want you you to continue thinking that.

I guess we'll find out soon enough, won't we? Say, mid August time frame.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I just hope somebody gets a Utube video of the lawsuit guys getting met on the jetway by the Chief Pilot with a replacement when he gets his "final notice". Bet they cave so fast it makes you head spin!

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I just hope somebody gets a Utube video of the lawsuit guys getting met on the jetway by the Chief Pilot with a replacement when he gets his "final notice". Bet they cave so fast it makes you head spin!

Thats what the company predicts also. Oh well.

 

[Leonidas]

Thats what the company predicts also. Oh well.

It's nice to see usapa so cozy with management, but not surprising.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

I'm sure that will be the case, usapa has said has much, your scab role will just solidify.

Not really. But if you want to voluntarily choose to lose your position, I'm sure finding a replacement wouldn't be all that difficult, would it? Maybe even from your own furloughees. Not too hard to understand. But really, you call us emotional? I think otherwise.

 

[elixir]

It's not a technicality, it's a fact, based on the dues obligation starting for everyone on the same date. If this was an issue with a mature union and a member or fee payer became delinquent, the same time table would apply, but the date the process would run out would be unique to their case. In this case 1800 people will come due at the same date. Yes the company will have to make choices, it will be interesting to see what they choose to be in their best interests.

I see...

so the Perry Mason episode is late...

You guys musta hit oil your back yards..

I live in Awahtukee...and I don't have oil....

 

[AAA73Pilot]

It's nice to see usapa so cozy with management, but not surprising.

In this business? Nothing surprises me either. I think what you're having a hard time with is, it really is just business. The union and the company. I don't want to see anyone put on the street, one way or the other. But choices, good or bad, are what they are.