US pilot labor thread 7/13-7/20

[Piedmont1984]

Booyashaka ....or is it Booyakasha......I forget again.

 

[EastUS]

Booyashaka ....or is it Booyakasha......I forget again.

I was thinking it was either "Booyooshaka" or Booyashaka"...but I haven't had teenagers in the house for a long time now...so there's no implied warranty as to the accuracy of my assumptions here...

 

[sharktooth]

If I recall correctly, Oldie had stated that is was his belief that USAPA was trying to minimize penalties to people who may have acted badly. When a copy of The President's Letter was posted yesterday it specifically said that RICO had been pled so at to get trebled damages and attorneys fees, which then caused me to make the comment about so much for Oldie's belief that they were trying to minimize damage to the potential wrongdoers.

You also said that were such the case as Oldie opined, that such a "reason" should be kept in the back recesses of ones brain. i.e. not suitable for public admission. Which is what I said. and you said.

 

[ableoneable]

"the federal judge dismissed the remaining state law claims 'without prejudice so that these claims may be re-filed in the appropriate state court.'" THis versus: ""Motion to Dismiss Filed by AWAPPA Defendants [Doc. 77] are GRANTED to the extent that Counts One and Two of the Amended Complaint are
DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE" Let's count those "counts" again slowly...Counts...One...and Two...leaving any/all remaining issues unresolved within the bigger picture.

"This is what happens when you" clearly have some issues as per reading comprehension, and are simply sweating and drooling AWAPPA Koolaide from every available orifice and gland. 🙄

Frankly?..I'm among those that really don't much care about the lawsuit, as it seems to have succeeded in thwarting the most utterly ridiculous, juvenile delinquents out west from continuing their.."behaviors"...but I'll support the Union with whatever it needs, should it be the case that the suit's refiled in state court. Enough of the westie BS's just plain ENOUGH.

Typical EastUs. Denigration into personal attacks.

my first post stated

Though the USCABA release did not mention it two of the three complaints were dismissed with prejudice. There will be no re-filing of those charges.

The third charge was untenable and the only reason to re-file would be to try and cost the defendants more in legal fees. This may or may not lead to "success" as USAPA would define it, but is also a dangerous game.

NYCBD responded with

Au contraire, mon frere. "Judge Martin Reidinger issued a decision dismissing USAPA’s cause of action against AWAPPA and its co-defendants under the RICO act. Due to fact that USAPA’s RICO claim was its sole cause of action under federal law, the federal judge dismissed the remaining state law claims 'without prejudice so that these claims may be re-filed in the appropriate state court.'"

Then I provided the quote from the judge showing that the first two of the three counts were indeed dismissed with prejudice.

You responded in your usual over wrought style.

clearly have some issues as per reading comprehension, and are simply sweating and drooling AWAPPA Koolaide from every available orifice and gland.

You have demonstrated time and again your contempt for logic or reasoning.

The meat of your posts are sighs and eyerolls interspaced with personal attacks and some arrogance and contempt thrown in for good measure. You are no better than Oldie and sometimes even beneath his level.

 

[Piedmont1984]

In stark contrast, I assume you would argue, to the highminded, balanced and objective posts of Leonidis, Prechilill, NLC and about a dozen others? Or your own post #102 where you invoke a slur to characterize a union you are "at war" with?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Typical EastUs. Denigration into personal attacks.

my first post stated

NYCBD responded with

Then I provided the quote from the judge showing that the first two of the three counts were indeed dismissed with prejudice.

You responded in your usual over wrought style.

You have demonstrated time and again your contempt for logic or reasoning.

The meat of your posts are sighs and eyerolls interspaced with personal attacks and some arrogance and contempt thrown in for good measure. You are no better than Oldie and sometimes even beneath his level.

Why not just admit that you were wrong. I'll admit that I was probably wrong in thinking that USAPA was attempting to have a more "controlled" outcome by using the civil proceedings.

I have to admit also that were I running that show, I'd give no quarter.

After watching the meeting in PHX, I am again reminded of the juvenile minds at work west of the Mississippi, at least from the pilot group.

Oh, and you're a good one to talk about personal attacks, in the same breath that you make one. Integrity, and credibility, matters.

 

[ableoneable]

Why not just admit that you were wrong. I'll admit that I was probably wrong in thinking that USAPA was attempting to have a more "controlled" outcome by using the civil proceedings.

I have to admit also that were I running that show, I'd give no quarter.

After watching the meeting in PHX, I am again reminded of the juvenile minds at work west of the Mississippi, at least from the pilot group.

Oh, and you're a good one to talk about personal attacks, in the same breath that you make one. Integrity, and credibility, matters.

Touche Sir.

 

[ableoneable]

In stark contrast, I assume you would argue, to the highminded, balanced and objective posts of Leonidis, Prechilill, NLC and about a dozen others? Or your own post #102 where you invoke a slur to characterize a union you are "at war" with?

I have never used the "at war" phraseology.

I have not looked back at 102 but the only word that comes to mind is scab. It was used appropriately.

 

[EastUS]

[quote name='ableoneable' date='Jul 14 2008, 06:30 PM' post='626209)
The meat of your posts are sighs and eyerolls interspaced with personal attacks and some arrogance and contempt thrown in for good measure. You are no better than Oldie and sometimes even beneath his level.
[/quote]

I'm perfectly fine with being "no better than Oldie and sometimes even beneath his level"...he's "Been around the block" as well, and I'll listen to waht he has to say. To the counterpoint? = Should the day ever come that I'm truly concerned about any/all of the west's "Integrity" filled personal estimations and ANY notions pertaining to actual character ..given that your group's entire, self-obsessed focus is in rendering worthless MANY more years of flying and work than your bunch has yet done..and entirely for YOUR own benefit..well...I'd think it far past time for me to jump off the nearest tall cliff in shame and utter disgust with myself.

You have the actual nerve to babble on about "arrogance"?....Words just fail to serve sometimes.

Have a "Sigh" and some rolled eyes on me 🙄

 

[Piedmont1984]

BTW, for the edification of Suzie, who accused east pilots of declining "proceed direct" offers from ATC during the PHX meeting - our flight releases often have the term "ctrl calc rte" or something very similar in the remarks section. This indicates that the route as planned and filed is the most fuel efficient and least time when considering winds, weather, etc. On a coast to coast flight, a short cut from ATC may in fact cost considerably more time and fuel than sticking to the original flight plan. Best to check with dispatch. But on several occasions I have declined "directs" for exactly those reasons.

Although her accusation was wrong, at least it was one of her coherent remarks.

 

[ableoneable]

[quote name='EastUS' post='626237' date='Jul 14 2008, 05:15 PM'][quote name='ableoneable' date='Jul 14 2008, 06:30 PM' post='626209)
The meat of your posts are sighs and eyerolls interspaced with personal attacks and some arrogance and contempt thrown in for good measure. You are no better than Oldie and sometimes even beneath his level.


I'm perfectly fine with being "no better than Oldie"...he's "Been around the block" as well. Should the day ever come that I'm truly concerned about any/all of the west's "Integrity" filled personal estimations and ANY notions pertaining to actual character ..given that your group's entire, self-obsessed focus is in rendering worthless MANY more years of flying and work than your bunch has yet done..and entirely for YOUR own benefit..well...I'd think it far past time for me to jump off the nearest tall cliff in shame and utter disgust with myself.

You have the actual nerve to babble on about "arrogance"?....Words just fail to serve sometimes.

Have a "Sigh" and some rolled eyes on me 🙄[/quote]

Sigh, for God's sake man, learn to use the freaking HTML quote command.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I have never used the "at war" phraseology.

I have not looked back at 102 but the only word that comes to mind is scab. It was used appropriately.

No, it was used as a slur, with arrogance and contempt, which makes you a hypocrite, among other things.

(Deleted by moderator. Do not change spelling to create a profanity.)

 

[EastUS]

On a coast to coast flight, a short cut from ATC may in fact cost considerably more time and fuel than sticking to the original flight plan. Best to check with dispatch. But on several occasions I have declined "directs" for exactly those reasons.

Although her accusation was wrong, at least it was one of her coherent ones.

That occurred to me as well. The Lady has a valid point when directs can cut off substantial leg length..but naturally, it's necessary to evaluate winds aloft in any case. Significantly less distance will usually trump imho. I personally, don't wish to take much serious issue with that person, as I can imagine the difficulties inherent in raising children with special needs...which would take some pretty impressive, loving dedication. Suffice it to merely say that she'd do herself best to stay off the camera and microphone. As for Mr "We Hate you guys"?....not much excuse there..especially to the head of Flight Ops. I'm somewhat surprised not to have heard of his dismissal, or at best "Time Off".

 

[EastUS]

Sigh, for God's sake man, learn to use the freaking HTML quote command.

"A touch!..Yes..I do confess it!" Just FYI...for over a thousand years, some miraculous instruments have been available for the passage of thought and ideas....which can actually be interpreted by trained individuals, without ANY penchant, or seeming need to have things nicely outlined and highlighted for their easy consumption. They're called "Books"...which you have perhaps seen around some museums at times, or on historical interest websites..and are clearly unfamiliar with otherwise.

PS: Umm..Is that really your "best shot"?..and you wonder at my "sighs" and "rolling eyes"??...Honestly? 😉 We can have "fun" like this indefinately..but it won't solve the existing issues.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Moderators.

Profanity - To treat with abuse, irreverence or contempt.

In keeping with that definition, I submit that all references with the slur "scab" be deleted, or allow my use of ASSWAPPA to stand.

And if you are going to delete a word, don't delete the entire sentence.

Does anyone else smell corn?