US Pilot Labor Thread

[oldiebutgoody]

There! Well worth a week or two off!

Glad I never burn my bridges!



MOD NOTE: Ask and you shall receive. Anyone else?

 

[ableoneable]

(oldiebutgoody @ Nov 7 2007, 09:52 AM)
The arbitrator ignored all of it, even choosing to use an incorrect seniority list for the East guys which was submitted by the West side. Looks pretty slanted to me, and I'm a bystander.

I know that you are gleeful at the prospect of west pilots being furloughed, which belies your lack of maturity, but I will not be exiting quite yet. At the moment I am still in the left seat, a place I am not sad to say I think you will never see.

How typical.

Call me names, stomp your feet and scream that you are not a liar when clearly you are one.

 

[fatherabraham]

Well I can see how well that's working for you right now.


Piney,
Me thinks the negotiation ended Apr 17
FA

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I know that you are gleeful at the prospect of west pilots being furloughed, which belies your lack of maturity, but I will not be exiting quite yet. At the moment I am still in the left seat, a place I am not sad to say I think you will never see.

How typical.

Call me names, stomp your feet and scream that you are not a liar when clearly you are one.

My situation is a unique one, but it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

Later. Don't forget your paper hat!

 

[ableoneable]

My situation is a unique one, but it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!

Later. Don't forget your paper hat!

You certainly are different.

You have been unable to refute the fact that you have lied and instead cryptically claim you are "unique" while screaming that your "situation", whatever that is supposed to mean, is none of my business.

I never asked.

First you tried to claim that you were an interested but unaffected bystander, then you change your story and claim you are a USAir pilot and now you imply that you are also unstable.

You are above all else no more than a liar, just an unstable one.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

You certainly are different.

You have been unable to refute the fact that you have lied and instead cryptically claim you are "unique" while screaming that your "situation", whatever that is supposed to mean, is none of my business.

I never asked.

First you tried to claim that you were an interested but unaffected bystander, then you change your story and claim you are a USAir pilot and now you imply that you are also unstable.

You are above all else no more than a liar, just an unstable one.

"ding" fries are done....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQyib5ZQZY

 

[ableoneable]

"ding" fries are done....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQyib5ZQZY

If you are really a pilot it is amazing that you are still employed, yet alone alive.

To judge you by your debating skills you are about ten years old, and an impaired ten year old.

So, what is it, are you an unaffected bystander, a USAir pilot, or an institutionalized individual with internet access. The world wonders.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

If you are really a pilot it is amazing that you are still employed, yet alone alive.

To judge you by your debating skills you are about ten years old, and an impaired ten year old.

So, what is it, are you an unaffected bystander, a USAir pilot, or an institutionalized individual with internet access. The world wonders.

Sucks to be you.

 

[ableoneable]

Sucks to be you.

Yet another in a long line of thoughtful, carefully crafted and salient responses.

You have claimed to be merely a bystander.

You have claimed to be a USAir pilot.

You have claimed a shadowy, bizarre, "unique" status.

You seem to have a gentleman with a large butterfly net standing behind you.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Yet another in a long line of thoughtful, carefully crafted and salient responses.

You have claimed to be merely a bystander.

You have claimed to be a USAir pilot.

You have claimed a shadowy, bizarre, "unique" status.

You seem to have a gentleman with a large butterfly net standing behind you.

But at least I'm employed. You're an idiot if you think I care what your opinion is.

I will neither confirm nor deny my employment status with ANY carrier, corporation OR government agency, except to say that I am definitely presently employed.

Again, sucks to be you!

 

[ableoneable]

But at least I'm employed. You're an idiot if you think I care what your opinion is.

I will neither confirm nor deny my employment status with ANY carrier, corporation OR government agency, except to say that I am definitely presently employed.

So now you are also claiming that you may or may not be a secret agent?

I don't think anyone is interested in what your multiple personalities think they do for a living on any given day.

Instead I am simply pointing out your track record as a liar.

You first claimed to be a bystander, then a USAir pilot, after that you had a "unique" status and now you may or may not be James Bond.

Oh, I almost forgot, you stand by all of your statements.

You are hilarious.

Please go on.

 

[cleardirect]

And for you, cleardirect, USAPA has made it quite clear: they will go for DOH or as close as the company allows them to get to DOH. After all, it is negotiable, at least according to your AWAPPA attorney.

Well, well, well I guess that these discussions are having an effect. USAPA has in their C&BL DOH. No compromise no “as close as the company allowsâ€￾. Finally someone is beginning to understand what negotiations involve. Two parties working towards a solution. USAPA can not dictate a seniority list to the company. For the record it was Lee Seham that said the seniority list section 22 was negotiable. Watch the video from PHX where the dictator Bradford said that seniority is negotiable just like a crew meal.

I hope USAPA doesn't divulge its position and it's negotiating strategy. But what do you care? You won't even get to vote.

Divulge it's position. What is there to divulge? C&BL state DOH. The USAPA members want it and demand it. The west knows you are going to do everything you can to get it. The company knows it is the top priority of wants and will make you pay for if they even talk about it. So who are they trying to keep it from?

Correct I will no vote. But it will still effect my career. Care to guess at a little secret. USAPA made the statement from the beginning. They have the tyranny of the majority to intact any contract they what. Even if every west pilot joined and voted no to a DOH contract. What do you think the outcome would be? So my joining or not joining has no effect what so ever on the result.

Contracts negotiated in haste are repented in leisure.

And lastly, cleardirect, USAPA's got at least another 20 months to negotiate before ALPA has a chance to remove them. I can wait. And after what we've been through the past six years, I think most of us back east can wait for the right time, the right deal.

Wow! Now there is a change in attitude. Are you now saying that it could be at least 20 months before USAPA brings a contract to vote? Remember what else USAPA ran on besides DOH? Getting a quick contract and a pay raise. Guess that is all gone now. Sure is different actually running an association than bitching about one?

Just who is the east going to blame for the delay and ineffective ability to deliver on any promises? The company? They are doing what they do. The west? We are no members and have no vote or say. Could it be the merry band of clueless self appointed leaders. No they would never take responsibility for something. Must be someone else. Maybe it’s still ALPA’s fault. I would guess that we will hear them blamed for something before to long.

 

[ussnark]

You always counter with something less than the ask.

That's How I made my living selling

Indeed, LOS, length of service, a down counter from DOH, date of hire, all positions with "conditions and restrictions" that guarantee that no one is downgraded from what they have.

Based on SEC filings, the east should have stapled the HP pilots but they relented with DOH, countered with LOS, both with conditions and restrictions.

At this point, let the west pilots endure the furloughs they brought onto themselves, with mostly leisure travel yielding basically nothing, that should result in about a 90% furlough out west, then offer a merge, a practice merging with UAL.

 

[LSS]

Wow! Now there is a change in attitude. Are you now saying that it could be at least 20 months before USAPA brings a contract to vote? Remember what else USAPA ran on besides DOH? Getting a quick contract and a pay raise. Guess that is all gone now. Sure is different actually running an association than bitching about one?

Just who is the east going to blame for the delay and ineffective ability to deliver on any promises? The company? They are doing what they do. The west? We are no members and have no vote or say. Could it be the merry band of clueless self appointed leaders. No they would never take responsibility for something. Must be someone else. Maybe it�€™s still ALPA�€™s fault. I would guess that we will hear them blamed for something before to long.

Clear... would you kindly post the exact quote where USAPA said they could obtain a "quick contract"... I've never seen USAPA say that!... Are you making this stuff up???????

 

[oldiebutgoody]

So now you are also claiming that you may or may not be a secret agent?

I don't think anyone is interested in what your multiple personalities think they do for a living on any given day.

Instead I am simply pointing out your track record as a liar.

You first claimed to be a bystander, then a USAir pilot, after that you had a "unique" status and now you may or may not be James Bond.

Oh, I almost forgot, you stand by all of your statements.

You are hilarious.

Please go on.

You have quite an imagination. It should serve you well, long afternoons standing under the heating lamps.

At least you'll have Thanksgiving and Christmas off!