US Pilot Thread for Week 9/21-9/28

[N924PS]

Yes it is an AWE jump seat.
Have you looked at the header of your release, or read any of the read files?
BTW you would not have had a ride on my JS, and I don't need a "letter"
HF

Have you looked at your FOM or the name on the FAA Operating Certificate?

I believe it's USAirways.

And I feel sorry for someone like you.

Anyone that would fabricate their own ridiculous "Jumpseat Form" or deny a fellow pilot their hard won contractual privilege is a sad case indeed.

The lack of maturity is staggering.

 

[tazz]

They were hired off the street. When has any new hire attempted to claim DOH from a defunct carrier?

Aren't you confusing things here? The window into your mind through your posts reveal a grossly immature thought process. You seem unable to separate your emotions from reality and thereby reveal yourself as a danger to your passengers.

Snark, I do realize that there was no "acquisition" there. The point is that those pilots never complained about what should have been. Should the scenario have been the same here, and it well could have been, I dare say the east would have cried loudly.

No one else has made a comment as foolish as yours about my statement. I am a danger to my passengers? Really? The grossly immature thought process is clearly yours.

 

[Flyz4food]

Actually, I think you are technically wrong. Quibbling aside, I simply meant to differentiate west from east and probably should have said so.

and, yes. I thought that would have been obvious as the captain, indeed, has final authority for the jump-seat at most any carrier, so far.

Again. Date, flt number and city pair.

 

[Res Judicata]

We're all of us just people, and I can assure you that you're nothing more "special" in the grand scheme of things than the FA's are....All you can fall back on by way of any attempted dispute to that obvious truth is merely some arbitrator's temporary insanity.....

As for "Would you like to be a flight attendant?" Unlike many I've seen posting from the west; I've a high regard for the FA's, and I, frankly, couldn't begin to do their jobs. My tolerance for encounters with irritating fools isn't nearly sufficient to that tasking.

cleardirect: "The flight attendants are not at war because their integration went DOH." Enough said.....

PS: The first day that you might actually ever, even remotely, become qualified to lecture me on "Accepting responsibility"...I can only imagine will be in at least the 6th season of snow skiing in Hell.......

Standard Evasive B.S.

You fool no one.

 

[Art at ISP]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

With all due respect,

The amount of anger and childishness on this board, and in particular on this thread is beyond comprehension. You folks are supposed to be the epitome of professionalism, and your conduct is supposed to be beyond reproach.

While there are valid points on both sides of the argument, and I am NOT in any way shape or form going to take sides, I think there has been reprehensible behavior on both sides, and one has to wonder if all this anger and frustration MIGHT at some point affect performance on the flight deck. At least it is a significant distraction.

As a member of the flying public, I would urge those in leadership positions on both sides to put aside the anger for a short while and TRY to find SOME common ground on which an agreement of SOME SORT can be based.

There is a world beyond US Airways--this whole country is going into the crapper--and if you think that US Airways is going to last much longer if the infighting continues and the company keeps treating employees AND customers the way they are today, I think you are sadly mistaken.

Stop fighting and FIX THE PROBLEM.

And for the record, I blame MANAGEMENT (what a contradiction in terms in this case) for this situation by not working things out with labor BEFORE the merger....

I just think it's time to grow up, put your big boy/girl underwear on and fix this.

Stay safe, and as always,

My BEST to you all.....

 

[Harry Callahan]

Art:
What a great post...A great BIG +1 to everything you said

 

[EastUS]

EastUS: "As for "Would you like to be a flight attendant?" Unlike many I've seen posting from the west; I've a high regard for the FA's, and I, frankly, couldn't begin to do their jobs. My tolerance for encounters with irritating fools isn't nearly sufficient to that tasking.

cleardirect: "The flight attendants are not at war because their integration went DOH." Enough said.....

Standard Evasive B.S.

You fool no one.

1) In what way? I'd say the "evasive B.S." springs forth from other sources, and affords no reasonable answer to the admitted truth of: cleardirect: "The flight attendants are not at war because their integration went DOH." Any "evasive B.S." springs to life within any attempts at perverse colorations of, and distractions away from the actual truth that outside of a small minority of workers =west pilots, that all work groups have successfully integrated using reasonably established trade/craft principles..DOH/LOS...and are actually getting along.

2) I'll leave it to any fools to continue fooling themselves..none need my asisstance therein.

What's certainly true is that litigation has been launched, contract negotiations are proceeding, and we'll all have to wait and see what happens there, quite probably for a very long time. In the meanwhile..How about lightening up on all the purely adolescant nonsense out there? The workplace is no proper venue for taking out any/all personal frustrations on any others...period.

 

[fodase]

Hey can one of you easties explain again how the mda guys were never furloughed? Apparently the company says they were, hmmm so much for derailing the Nic. lol

"Grievance Committee Update
Longevity Accrual for Pay and Benefits for former MDA Pilots
September 25, 2008



USAPA was made aware last week by our former MDA Pilots that the Company has unilaterally reduced their hourly rates of pay and taken away the previously issued credit for the time they were employed for the Company in the Mid Atlantic Division of US Airways.

Last year, the Union was made aware that the Company was not crediting those CEL pilots who flew at MDA with longevity for pay purposes and therefore, a grievance was filed on their behalf. However, the Company had been crediting all furloughed pilots who worked in the MDA division with seniority, now without notice or warning to our Pilots or the Union, the Company has unilaterally reduced those Pilots' hourly rates of pay in violation of the Seniority provisions of our Contract.

It is the position of the Union that the provisions contained in Section 22 B (1) apply to all Pilots who flew for the Mid Atlantic Division of US Airways, regardless of whether those pilots were originally furloughed from US Airways or came to work at MDA as a CEL pilot from a wholly owned carrier.

"Seniority of a pilot shall be based upon the length of service as an airline pilot in the employ of the Company or its predecessor airline companies whose operations have been taken over by the Company."

Section 22 (B) 2

"Seniority of a pilot, and longevity for pay, vacation, sick leave and retirement purposes shall begin to accrue on the date the pilot first reports to the Company's Pilot Training Program and shall continue to accrue except as otherwise provided in this Agreement."

The Grievance Committee is exploring all options concerning the Company's unilateral actions. . We have scheduled discussions with the Company concerning their actions and will report the results to the pilot group."

 

[ussnark]

Again. Date, flt number and city pair.

Why? The captain saw it as a play for his jump-seat authority and responded correctly.

 

[EastUS]

Hey can one of you easties explain again how the mda guys were never furloughed? Apparently the company says they were, hmmm so much for derailing the Nic. lol

The company's management is nickel and diming everything at every level that they possibly can, (except for the many millions they personally pocket of course) and testing the Union in every way possible as well. That you can even imagine that such is being done for your personal position's benefit is amazing to me, and speaks volumes about both your naievete, and sorely limited world view in general. It's certainly an additional boost to your credit that you find any attack on other pilots' wages to be a source for any "lol", as it again demonstrates an utterly clueless and distorted set of perceptions as to what's ultimately in store for all, should nonsense like this not be challenged.

"...that the Company has unilaterally reduced their hourly rates of pay..." Is a source for "lol"?..I clearly see, as do all others I'm sure, that any such abuse could "never" happen to you? :blink:

"Ask not for whom the bell tolls...It tolls for thee"

 

[Flyz4food]

Why? The captain saw it as a play for his jump-seat authority and responded correctly.

Simple question. When and where? The fact that you won't provide those details leads me to believe you are lying.

 

[ussnark]

Snark, I do realize that there was no "acquisition" there. The point is that those pilots never complained about what should have been. Should the scenario have been the same here, and it well could have been, I dare say the east would have cried loudly.

No one else has made a comment as foolish as yours about my statement. I am a danger to my passengers? Really? The grossly immature thought process is clearly yours.

Then why bring it up? You are accusing a group of people of responding in the exact same manner to two, entirely different, situations.

Perhaps, in the future, maturity will bring you to the point where you may actually start considering other people as just as smart as you, perhaps even smarter. Then, you might even start considering that the actions you see come from intelligent, well-considered thought. Try not to project you own immature attitudes onto others.

 

[ussnark]

Simple question. When and where? The fact that you won't provide those details leads me to believe you are lying.

Seriously, proving my cred to you seems well down on my to do list. In fact, it just fell off my list. <_<

 

[Flyz4food]

Seriously, proving my cred to you seems well down on my to do list. In fact, it just fell off my list. <_<

Crushing retort.

 

[fodase]

The company's management is nickel and diming everything at every level that they possibly can, (except for the many millions they personally pocket of course) and testing the Union in every way possible as well. That you can even imagine that such is being done for your personal position's benefit is amazing to me, and speaks volumes about both your naievete, and sorely limited world view in general. It's certainly an additional boost to your credit that you find any attack on other pilots' wages to be a source for any "lol", as it again demonstrates an utterly clueless and distorted set of perceptions as to what's ultimately in store for all, should nonsense like this not be challenged.

"...that the Company has unilaterally reduced their hourly rates of pay..." Is a source for "lol"?..I clearly see, as do all others I'm sure, that any such abuse could "never" happen to you? :blink:

"Ask not for whom the bell tolls...It tolls for thee"

Regardless of why the company does this is irrelevant, what is relevant is that the company's position of these pilot's being on furlough directly contradicts mda pilot's position on their lawsuits, lawsuits that the east claim will derail the Nic., you know the arbitration that never happen just like the furloughs that never happen back east before the merger, spin away all you want .