US Pilot Thread for Week 9/21-9/28

[LSS]

Simple question. When and where? The fact that you won't provide those details leads me to believe you are lying.

Why do you ask this question? Are you trying to obtain the name of the West captain who was behaving as a professional so that you and your cohorts can harrass and threaten him/her, just as you have done to the West pilots who had the knads to step up to the plate with USAPA to ensure your side is heard?

 

[88 B.T.D.]

just like the furloughs that never happen back east before the merger, spin away all you want .

No one ever said the furloughs never happened. We said the MDA pilots were not on furlough when the merger happened, because they were flying for US Airways on their certificate with same payroll and some MDA pilot holding ALPA office in the same union. It wasn't supposed to happen that way. They were supposed to be on a different certificate but it didn't happen. Hence the lawsuit and longevity issues that have surfaced since then.

 

[fodase]

No one ever said the furloughs never happened. We said the MDA pilots were not on furlough when the merger happened, because they were flying for US Airways on their certificate with same payroll and some MDA pilot holding ALPA office in the same union. It wasn't supposed to happen that way. They were supposed to be on a different certificate but it didn't happen. Hence the lawsuit and longevity issues that have surfaced since then.

And our point has always been that you had to be furloughed to go to mda, apparently the company agrees.

 

[Flyz4food]

Why do you ask this question? Are you trying to obtain the name of the West captain who was behaving as a professional so that you and your cohorts can harrass and threaten him/her, just as you have done to the West pilots who had the knads to step up to the plate with USAPA to ensure your side is heard?

On the contrary, just wishing to comfirm the truth or lack thereof. Apparantly, the lack of info only confirms the story being bogus.

 

[Phoenix]

Hey can one of you easties explain again how the mda guys were never furloughed? Apparently the company says they were, ..

"apparently the company says.."

I continue to be amazed that anyone who operates an aircraft in compliance with a multitude of regulations and laws yet fails to understand the simple reality that what the company "says" is not the law, but rather is subject to the law.

Cheerleading for the company if it abuses a fellow pilot only ensures that when his pockets are empty, you will be the next one turned upside down and shaken.

 

[Phoenix]

And our point has always been that you had to be furloughed to go to mda, apparently the company agrees.

Yes you did have to be furloughed.. and recalled to mainline. Both ALPA and the company already have stated as much and now both seem to have decided to change their mind with hopes of getting away with it.

ALPA didn't have much luck with that.

 

[fodase]

Yes you did have to be furloughed.. and recalled to mainline. Both ALPA and the company already have stated as much and now both seem to have decided to change their mind with hopes of getting away with it.

ALPA didn't have much luck with that.

Yeah, you mean the lawsuit that got dismissed? lol.

 

[fodase]

The phrase "The Company Says" should be your first clue.

Tempe is inhabited by people who are documented liars and workers should at no time have any trust in anything they say.

Well tempe and the east pilots are perfect for each other, nothing but a bunch of lying thieves that don't honor their obligations.

 

[EastUS]

Well tempe and the east pilots are perfect for each other, nothing but a bunch of lying thieves that don't honor their obligations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txrikNFX-8E...feature=related 😉


"...nothing but a bunch of lying thieves that don't honor their obligations..."
Monsieur!! ...C'est magnifique!! .... bien fait! 🙄 Je suis desole'.....Allez!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_sI1pLhiug

 

[Megasnoop]

What happened as I understand it is the case was moved from superior court to fed district court. Same thing happened when east mec sued west mec in washington dc. west asked for it to be moved to fed court. fed judge reviewed and said no the superior court in dc can hear this case and sent it back.

nic4, just four days ago, one in your gang questioned my source when I said the state court case was bounced. Turns out I was right, but I dont really need you to walk me thru it. Now I hear your AOL wont appeal. The stupid DC lawsuit was filed by East ALPA, not USAPA. ALPA national could have, should have blocked it, they had the authority to do that, they were the CBA back then, not the East MEC, but they didnt. ALPA was always trying to save the property even though they screwed with you on that, made you pay for your own defense against your own union at the time. according to your Freund, ALPA was supposed to use all methods available to implemement the NIC, but they didnt. Presenting a list to parker isnt implementing it. They screwed you. So why arent you DFRing them? Answer, ALPA would drag it out for 10 years, long past your attention span. Thats about how long past DFRs where ALPA would eventually lose have lasted. On an easy win, like AirWisc, ALPA had that one wrapped up in 3 years. Ford won (kind of) and ALPA dragged that one out for 8 years. Duke won though ALPA dragged that out 8 years also.

The fed judge in this case may do the same thing and send it back to maricopa county or the judge may decide to hear the case. Either way the injunction is not dead, nor is the case, and there is yet another suit already filed in the fed district court for Arizona.

your parsing words, nic4. the injunction isnt alive or dead. it doesnt exist except in your minds. your rquest for an injunction may be alive, but it wont be ordered by a state court. NO JURISTICTION. Itll never happen in a Fed court either. With a union process available through the NMB/RLA, my guess is the Fed court will let the adminstrative process go ahead.

I wont paste your 0-3 comments, but just goes to show, when administrative processes are available, courts tend to let them play out in that venue. After you exhaust your admin process, then you might get the courts attention. I thought the U-MEC DC lawsuit was stupid. The USAPA lawsuit may not go anywhere, but it did stop the harrassment, so maybe served a purpose.

Also, there has been some speculation that the west shopped for a lawyer that would tell them what they wanted to hear. It was more like every lawyer told us what we wanted to hear( i.e. you have a great case) we simply shopped for the firm who we felt would proceed in the most favorable manner.

Truth is your original AOL St. Louis lawyer told you you had no case, maybe conflict of interest in him representing the TWA guys DFRing ALPA. every lawyer will tell you you got a great case as long as they get the money up front. But like Freund, you cant argue one way in one suite and then come back and argue the opposite way. Good move giving Freund the boot.

As far as this not being over until O'dell retires, you are probably correct. Biggest problem is O'dell and some other 130 west pilots are now furloughed out of seniority, beginning in 5 days.

If youd taken ALPAs Wye River offer, Dave Odell might not be furloed at all, 400 below him on that offer. As far as out of seniority furloes, until theres one CBA, looks like the company did it by the book.

aside, even though you guys refusd to cooperate, our union got the data to nail the company on violating the separate ops flight hour reductions. I heard rumors about where the data came from. it caught the company by surprise we had data. Going 17 over the max large RJs dispute is worth over 200 furloes alone. LCC is right at the max reduction on east flying and >10% under max reduction for west. Our union will try to get those jobs back even if you dont help. your so hung up with saving the nic, you dont care enough to save dave. Youd rather see dave on the streets, thinking youll get him back with a lawsuit. Your poster child, now complete with threats of an illegal job action by pilots who dont want to join the cba. Dream on.

One other thing, with a win on the flight hour reductions, no west pilot gets furloughed. With a win on the 17 RJs, no more east pilots get furloed, all west pilots get recalled. this wont be resolved until Bloch hears it in arbitration in December, but wins will get back pay for all furloed. Winning the grievances is a better and quicker shot at getting pilots back, but when all you care about is a pie-in-the-sky DFR, I guess you get what you pay for. Deep breath, EOR. snooper

 

[prechilill]

nic4, just four days ago, one in your gang questioned my source when I said the state court case was bounced. Turns out I was right,

Maybe you are right in your own secluded ecosystem, but here in the real world what you said above is nothing but fiction.

 

[Megasnoop]

Maybe you are right in your own secluded ecosystem, but here in the real world what you said above is nothing but fiction.

Im quite happy in my little part of the world. Nothing better than waking up to the smell of cow manure on a crisp autum morning here in Bucks County. I dont need to read a chat board to get that smell. Time will tell whos facts are facts and whos facts are fiction. meanwhile, youll never get an injunction. keep dreaming on. snooper

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

Do all of you eastie posters have a superiority complex overshadowing your delusions of grandeur?

See post #191 - there you will find your answer.

 

[Res Judicata]

Do all of you eastie posters have a superiority complex overshadowing your delusions of grandeur?

See post #191 - there you will find your answer.

Yes they do. It's stated on the front page of their crappy usapa website. They're "one of the most senior pilot groups in the world'...(even though they're still F.Os). Their number 1 guy is no more number 1 than any other airline in the history of commercial aviation. Blind arrogance.

 

[trunion]

Yes they do. It's stated on the front page of their crappy usapa website. They're "one of the most senior pilot groups in the world'...(even though they're still F.Os). Their number 1 guy is no more number 1 than any other airline in the history of commercial aviation. Blind arrogance.

So, are you saying that an FO is not a pilot? I think most passengers would love to have 2 or 3 very experienced pilots in the cockpit.

You still come off as very angry. Are you sure you don't have a stake in this.

Glad to see you are keeping in touch with USAPA.