US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/29-10/7

[HPDriver]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...s/s_645033.html

 

[ua767fo]

It is interesting how a Federal Judge could allow himself to be dragged into such a quagmire. If Judge Wake tries to protect the AWA pilots Nic windfall it will result in an absolute stalemate.

Any union including USAPA has an ongoing duty of fair representation including trying to negotiate a fair contract. This duty as well as the USAPA constitution binds USAPA to try to eliminate the Nic windfall

Judges are not part of others quagmires. They resolve them. A federal court judge is literally the second most powerful official in the nation, at times yielding much more power than the president. And they can only be removed by an article of impeachment. (eg Alcee Hastings)

The judge can easily order an organizations constitution ripped up if it appears in any way shape or form to usurp federal law. The duty of USAPA right now is to follow the mandate of a federal judge. And if he perceives the membership trying to bypass the mandate of the court, he can easily impose what ever terms satisfy his judgment.

DENVER, CO

 

[NiceLandingCaptain]

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give me a break the nic is not ratioed... It's mixing us who have 13 years of active with new hires...
it's taking the attrition we brought and mixing it in this cespool of a pilot group. The west fails to understand that the vast majority of f/o's hired in the 88-89 range stuck around here because we knew once the flood gates opened the movement would be fast and furious. Now YOU and the NIC are trying to take that away.

as I said.. OMDB..... the fight lives on... and I seriously doubt we can ever fly together.... no matter what your boy Parker and Kirby say.

You fail to grasp the fact the AWA brought 120+ airframes to the dance. Not one single DOH advocate ever includes that fact into their thought process. You DOH'ers need to take some time and apply some rational thought to what that actually means - figure it out and then you will see why DOH was an impossible stance to take in the arbitration process.

 

[john john]

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburgh...s/s_645033.html

Some other local work groups don't feel as secure. Pittsburgh gate and ticket agents have fallen to about 140 from 500 in 2002. Reservation agents, who once numbered 900, are no longer based here at all.
"And it isn't getting any better," said Debbie Gula, a 30-year customer-service worker and president of Communications Workers of America Local 13302, Green Tree. "The airport is dead. It's like a ghost town."
Outsourcing and contracting out jobs all over system waiting for the other shoe to fall all because the pilots have an scope clause that allows umpteen RJ’s with no strings attach

 

[Freighterguynow]

open letter to Doug Parker.

September 28, 2009
Mr. Douglas Parker
CEO & Chairman of the Board
US Airways, Inc.
111 W. Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, Arizona 85281

VIA EMAIL

Dear Doug:

I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt. Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against 1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from politics.

The rest can be found here.

 

[ChuckBewFarley]

Seems Sully's got another side job-

http://www.shopentercomkc.com/product_p/sully.htm

Would love to hear the daughter's integrity story again.

 

[VAflyGal]

Without starting a diatribe on this post, what are you guys and gals going to do if the company digs in their heels as they say they are going to do regarding LOA 93 and the snapbacks? CHAOS? I wish some labor group around here would take a stand and shake it up a little. How many more years does this madness have to go on?

Seriously. Some of us want to know if Chaos is a possibility. Our support, if so.

 

[Itestwell]

Without starting a diatribe on this post, what are you guys and gals going to do if the company digs in their heels as they say they are going to do regarding LOA 93 and the snapbacks? CHAOS? I wish some labor group around here would take a stand and shake it up a little. How many more years does this madness have to go on?

Seriously. Some of us want to know if Chaos is a possibility. Our support, if so.

Yikes. You're a braaaaaave soul.

 

[VAflyGal]

Yikes. You're a braaaaaave soul.

Why? I want short answers? I'm naïve to a lot of what's going on, simply because I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. Pull the trigger. Take a stand. 4 more years of fighting? I'm just wondering what those involved are going to do.

 

[hp_fa]

Well, it looks like Sully's LGA-CLT "first flight" hoopla was a PR stunt and factually incorrect to boot. I'm not counting the training flights against anyone, but the fact that the real first flight was CLT-LGA made the US Airways publicity incorrect. They could have at least put an additional pilot on the pairing to fly CLT-LGA so the PR machine would not have been factually incorrect, but they didn't and ended up with press releases that were lies.

US Airways had told reporters that Sullenberger's first flight would be later Thursday out of LaGuardia, but that wasn't true.

Airline spokesman Jonathan Freed acknowledged that the flight out of LaGuardia would actually be Sullenberger's fourth flight since landing in the Hudson. He flew two passenger flights Sept. 11 as part of his re-training process.

'Symbolic' flight
His flight Thursday morning from Charlotte was his first with Skiles.

When asked why US Airways released incorrect information, Freed said the flight out of LaGuardia was important because it was "symbolic" for the crew.

"It's the one that they're emotionally attached to," Freed said.

Link

 

[BoeingBoy]

Why? I want short answers?

Any type of work action (strike, CHAOS) would be illegal until a mediator releases both parties (union and company) to the 30 day cooling off period and that expires leaving both to seek self help (assuming that one or both sides refuse binding arbitration, which is normally the case). Since RLA contracts don't expire, that could be well in the future if at all.

Jim

 

[boeingplt]

Well, it looks like Sully's LGA-CLT "first flight" hoopla was a PR stunt and factually incorrect to boot. I'm not counting the training flights against anyone, but the fact that the real first flight was CLT-LGA made the US Airways publicity incorrect. They could have at least put an additional pilot on the pairing to fly CLT-LGA so the PR machine would not have been factually incorrect, but they didn't and ended up with press releases that were lies.



Link

Awfully bitter for an unbiased bystander

 

[Pi brat]

Anybody see the west pilot on SNL tonight talking about Sully? ;-)

Or was it hp fa?

 

[hp_fa]

Awfully bitter for an unbiased bystander

No. Bitter would be ** if ** I took the next step and inferred it was a PR stunt by the newest management stooge. That would be bitter, at least for someone.

 

[ClueByFour]

Not knowing what the US FOM looks like, but was sully down long enough that he would've had to have flown IOE again?

Realistically, it's probably his 5th or 6th flight. Don't ruin the fun.