This is so funny. Ask Donn H what he thinks the two 35 mill payouts were for. You know, the guy all the westies were quoting when they dammed USAPA over the lump sum payout? West pilots going on and on about the east contract. Here's a crazy idea: let's see what Mr. Kasher has to say about it.
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This is so funny. Ask Donn H what he thinks the two 35 mill payouts were for. You know, the guy all the westies were quoting when they dammed USAPA over the lump sum payout? West pilots going on and on about the east contract. Here's a crazy idea: let's see what Mr. Kasher has to say about it.
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Decision on East pay freeze expiration within 32 days. Soon.
Company reaction (set in stone) a three way decision tree..total loss by USAPA, 18% plus 3% raises, or full pay restoration. I have not a clue as to the actual outcome. My personal prediction..not going to be pretty for East or West...big players lining up. Other than a total loss for USAPA will trigger events none of us will control. Better hope you are in the top 2/3 of any list, DOH, East, or West. But a total loss USAPA will only be status quo.
Who saved who, binding arbitration, safety on board...all sideline issues with any win by USAPA. I thought I had it pegged on the UAL merger, missed that one by a few days. Hang on to your hats (if you still have one!)
See you in August, if you are still here.
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Company reaction (set in stone) a three way decision tree..total loss by USAPA, 18% plus 3% raises, or full pay restoration. I have not a clue as to the actual outcome. My personal prediction..not going to be pretty for East or West...big players lining up. Other than a total loss for USAPA will trigger events none of us will control. Better hope you are in the top 2/3 of any list, DOH, East, or West. But a total loss USAPA will only be status quo.
Who saved who, binding arbitration, safety on board...all sideline issues with any win by USAPA. I thought I had it pegged on the UAL merger, missed that one by a few days. Hang on to your hats (if you still have one!)
See you in August, if you are still here.
RR
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You just identified why you are going to lose this grievance. This is a yes or no question. Does LOA 93 contain pay restoration?
If yes point to the language in LOA 93 that tells the arbitrator what rate it goes back to. The arbitrator does not have the latitude to make up a rate. So if he has a choice between 18% plus 3% OR full restoration. His answer is going to be NO!
Arbitrators read language and tell both parties what it says. If he can not take a highlighter and say this is the rate. You are not getting it.
With a total lose. It will not stay status qou. There will be many east pilots that have been holding out hope for a pay raise. If Kasher says NO they are going to want contract. A contract is many years away. Those retiring in the next 2-3-4 years are going to be VERY interesting in moving forward and they know that in it's current form usapa is not going to be able to get them paid. usapa is going to come under great pressure from east pilots to deliver with a lose of LOA 93
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We will all count the days.. I too have no idea how it will roll, since I haven't bothered to study it because I am cynical.. I have a hard time believing that the staggering amount of money doesn't factor more than the other parts of the argument.
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According to you Ashby "would have completely destroyed the companies case and proven usapa's case". If this were true why didn't usapa call Ashby? BS says the company brought him to town. Why not have usapa call him? Heck it is worth $150 million per year to the east pilots. How about throwing the guys a couple grand to be a witness for the union?
Or could it be that the company had such a strong case they did not need him? Could it be that Ashby would not have destroyed the company case but just added to the companies case. That is why usapa did not call Ashby.
Obviously, Bob supports his fellow pilot, which is saying a lot, considering that with his seniority and upcoming retirement support the fact that he is standing up for what is right in all this BS, while he could just turn his back and leave.
A junoir guy like you calling him an idiot is quite the insult and shows your immaturity.
U r even a bigger idiot than bob
You know, fodase, you have some valid points on this forum and I have some respect for you in that area.
However, your disrespect for a man who has flown an aircraft all of his life....probably started when you were in diapers and is now the #1 Captain on the 767, is disgusting.
That is the whole problem here, you and your buddies have no respect for your seniors who have dedicated their lives to this piece of #### called a career at USAirways....now managed by more scumbags than ever before, the Tempe Team.....what a bunch of cocksuckers.
You are young and junior and as a fellow pilot, I hope you never have to go through the BS this group has endured. On the other hand, if the pilot career continues down this ugly path of always being screwed by the new guy on the block....you have yours coming....and if I am around, I will laugh my ass off when it's your fukin turn in the barrel.
You and your entitlement generation......why don't you actually earn something for a change?
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I believe that Reed meant the "or" between "18%+3% annual raises" and "full restoration" to mean that they're equivalent. The LOA 84 (I think that was it) rate included annual 3% raises and LOA 93 both reduced the LOA 84 rates by 18% and stopped the 3% annual raises (thus the freeze-no raises). So full restoration would return to LOA 84 rates plus the annual 3% raises.
I said after the grevience was filed that the best USAPA could hope for was restoration of the 3% annual raises starting in 2010 since that's what the freeze applied to and the freeze can be read to mean an end date.
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What else do we expect from an AWA lowlife?
The very best that this scumbag was able to achieve in his airline career on his own, was to get hired by the absolute bottom of airline choices. The only way he has any hope of ever achieving anything better is to steal it through a merger.
Not really very surprising that he displays incredible levels of frustration and immaturity.
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Ha ha, good one! Laughed out loud on that one, to funny.
The worst thing I and my fellow west pilots have had to endure in our careers is what you, Bob and the rest of you east scumbags have brought down on us. I don't respect anyone that has done what you as a group have done whether your 8 or 80. Pretty sad when management screws us less than the east pilots. I truly believe that Bob will get what he deserves by retiring under the worst contract/work rules in the industry, you as well.
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Here's a thought regarding the recent uptick in name calling.
"The toes you step on today, may be attached to the A$$ you have to kiss tomorrow"
Just a point to ponder as you spew venom at one another
Fodase,
If that is the worst thing you will have to endure in your life you will be a very lucky man. And if I retire under the worst contract then I retire under the worst contract.....no big deal and not life threatening at all.
Bob
Yep..........I guess its my unbridled optimistic outlook on life!So Bob, when an oncologist tells you that you only have "days to live" you think he means 18 months?
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