US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Right on schedule - the deranged East equivalent.

Your schedule maybe , as for USEAST, we have none! MM!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Your schedule maybe , as for USEAST, we have none! MM!

So you're that guy!

 

[BoeingBoy]

So you're that guy!

That probably went over his head...

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

That probably went over his head...

Jim

No Doubt over yours!

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

No Doubt over yours!

What a dumb thing to say.

No, yours!

 

[BoeingBoy]

No Doubt over yours!

He says, and therefore proves my point...

Jim

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

He says, and therefore proves my point...

Jim

MM - MentalMidget

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

MM 'Be Careful What You Wish For!

 

[cynic]

Seriously man, put the crack pipe down. We can find someone to help you.

 

[767one]

You are one screwed up individual. We are all still here, watching you make a fool of yourself....I mean, come on, you have flight attendants coming over from the other topics, callin you out. You have no idea as to how abrasive your posts are.

If you look at the bottom of the page where is shows how many members are logged in, how many observers, etc.... I guarantee you that at least 80% of them are shaking their heads at what an embarassment you are to not only on these boards, but the profession as well.

So you don't need to pat yourself on the back like that (no one else is...NO-ONE, even in the West), we are all still here, we just have no desire to engage your dumbass BS.....you are ruining this board....you and no-one else. We have consistantly tried to get you to look in the mirror and re-evaluate what you are putting out here in a public forum.

breeze

Thank you Mr. Breeze thank you very much!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Gee I stated years ago when they hired Seeham that he is not a friend of labor unions and represented companies against unions and he lost his cash cow of AMFA and sucked USAPA dry.

Next time maybe you east pilots will listen and educate yourselves.

You don't have to be a "Friend" of Labor to represent a Union zealously. To me the issues with Lee Seeham is I've yet to find a case where he represented Labor and actually won the damn thing. Clearly his track record with USAPA isn't worth on pinch of shite in a manure pile.

Now a question if I may. According to your post he was attorney of record for AMFA? Was he involved in the NWA debacle where all the mechs lost their jobs?

 

[700UW]

Seeham was AMFA's attorney during the NW years, he lost AMFA, he lost the PFAA (AMFA's sister union for the FAs at NW), he lost both of them, NW to the strike and PFAA due to their inability to represent the FAs and they voted AMFA out and went AFA.

He represented AMFA at ACA and lost a landmark case on status quo for newly organized unions.

He represented EL AL and Alitalia against the IAM during lockouts.

His track record speaks for itself.

 

[cleardirect]

Seeham was AMFA's attorney during the NW years, he lost AMFA, he lost the PFAA (AMFA's sister union for the FAs at NW), he lost both of them, NW to the strike and PFAA due to their inability to represent the FAs and they voted AMFA out and went AFA.

He represented AMFA at ACA and lost a landmark case on status quo for newly organized unions.

He represented EL AL and Alitalia against the IAM during lockouts.

His track record speaks for itself.

Not to be an ass or anything but. But we told them so. The west pilots told the east pilots that Seham was a bad lawyer but as usual they would not listen.

You are correct Seham's record is poor. He finds emotional labor groups tells them a story and gets paid.

Seham is the one that came up with the idea to sue members for RICO. We all know how that turned out.

Seham is the one that came up with the idea that changing unions can get you out of an arbitration. We will see how that turns out.

It is funny now how the hard core usapa/Seham supporters are turning on Seham. How, now they all knew he was bad guy but went along. You east guys might want to think about something. Seham is the one that told you a story of how to get out of arbitration. He is also the one that told you what the ninth said. His opinion. Ever think that his opinion was wrong and the only thing the ninth said was not ripe.

Seham was wrong about the RICO. Seham has been wrong at the other labor groups he has represented. What if it turns out he was wrong about changing union voiding arbitration and you guys just wasted 6 years and millions of dollars for nothing?

You guys going to apologize and repay the west? Will you ever admit that you were wrong? Will you ever accept responsibility or always find someone to blame? It has already begun.

From Cleary:

But here's what has actually happened. To start with, it is worth noting that the current Officers inherited the relationship with Mr. Seham - Seham was chosen precertification.

Never Cleary's fault. Except Cleary was president for years and left Seham in place. He could have replaced Seham if he wanted. But as usual never accept responsibility.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Seeham was AMFA's attorney during the NW years, he lost AMFA, he lost the PFAA (AMFA's sister union for the FAs at NW), he lost both of them, NW to the strike and PFAA due to their inability to represent the FAs and they voted AMFA out and went AFA.

He represented AMFA at ACA and lost a landmark case on status quo for newly organized unions.

He represented EL AL and Alitalia against the IAM during lockouts.

His track record speaks for itself.

Thanks, I was beginning to doubt my assessment of Mr Seeham. He sounds no different from the typical fee grubbing divorce lawyer trying to make sure you hate your soon to be ex which allows him to pile up his fees.

Not unlike Copier Sales. The rep is nice talks a good game, gives you a "Deal" that no one can touch on a machine that doesn't meet your needs and never will leaving you stuck in a 5 year lease with little to no recourse. In my industry we call that "Getting Sold". Well when it comes to legal services it looks like USAPA "Got Sold"

MILLIONS of dollars spent and near as I can tell you're no better off than you were the day the ink dried on the Merger Paperwork. As a customer I get angry when 5,000+ highly skilled professionals get bamboozled my some third rate hack lawyer, yet still can't see the forest for the trees. <rant off>

 

[A320 Driver]

MILLIONS of dollars spent and near as I can tell you're no better off than you were the day the ink dried on the Merger Paperwork. As a customer I get angry when 5,000+ highly skilled professionals get bamboozled my some third rate hack lawyer, yet still can't see the forest for the trees. <rant off>

As a customer, what do you care as long as the ticket price is OK and you arrive safely? If you want to fight something you can win, start a drive to get the company to refit the cabins in a seating arrangement that is humane. I'm continually amazed we don't have more fights break out in the back of these cattle haulers.

Driver B)