US Pilots Labor Discussion

[john john]

So no matter how much $eham charges or how many times he gets in over his head in front of an unbiased judge – you are willing to through as much money at him as his pocketbook demands? Do you have any limits on how much $eham should be allowed to fleece the pilots for. Do you demand anything in return beyond not having to vote on a TA so as to avoid the NIC?

If it is about the money then why is the west throwing money at the same case ?

 

[PullUp]

And if the SCOTUS reverses the 9th and affirms Wake & Bybee will you then agree that $eham took everyone on a very expensive wild goose chase?

SCOTUS reversing the 9th?! Allowing union membership to sue for bargaining proposals?
No chance.
None.
Nada.
Nyet.
Nope.
No.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Well let's hope the supreme court justices are willing to hear the details of the case, and more importantly provide for a definitive resolution rather than just prolonging the unresolved issues like the ninth circuit did.

One thing is certain - win, lose, or make a total fool out of himself again - $eham's rates are about to go up.

Welll....don't wet your shorts quite yet. This only indicates that at least ONE justice wants to hear more. And it certainly does NOT provide a definitive resolution by any stretch of the imagination.

While only 15-30% of petitions get scheduled for this conference, the vast majority of those get tossed out after the conference with nary a word.

At least one of the justices tagged the petition to be heard in conference. The lawyers will not be there. The conference is among the justices only. They will discuss it and vote on whether to hear the case.

And even if they DO hear it, it does not indicate how they might eventually rule. They could overrule the 9th, or say they didn't go far enough to slap the desert judge for interfering in union affairs over which he had no jurisdiction.

While this is a surprising hurdle to pass, the chances of it being heard are still statistically very slim. But who knows? Maybe they see that this case does indeed break new ground no matter which way the lower courts go, so they want to narrow the path. And that could be good or bad for both sides.

Interesting article on Supreme Court petition procedures:

Petitioning the Supreme Court

 

[prechilill]

Welll....don't wet your shorts quite yet. This only indicates that at least ONE justice wants to hear more. And it certainly does NOT provide a definitive resolution by any stretch of the imagination.

While only 15-30% of petitions get scheduled for this conference, the vast majority of those get tossed out after the conference with nary a word.

At least one of the justices tagged the petition to be heard in conference. The lawyers will not be there. The conference is among the justices only. They will discuss it and vote on whether to hear the case.

And even if they DO hear it, it does not indicate how they might eventually rule. They could overrule the 9th, or say they didn't go far enough to slap the desert judge for interfering in union affairs over which he had no jurisdiction.

While this is a surprising hurdle to pass, the chances of it being heard are still statistically very slim. But who knows? Maybe they see that this case does indeed break new ground no matter which way the lower courts go, so they want to narrow the path. And that could be good or bad for both sides.

Interesting article on Supreme Court petition procedures:

Petitioning the Supreme Court

The first big hurdle has been crossed... worried??? It sure sounds like it.

 

[traderjake]

Allowing union membership to sue for bargaining proposals?

Anyone who believes the NIC award is just bargaining proposal is dumber than a bag of hammers.

I know you're smarter than that.

 

[nic4us]

Hot off the presses, the US Supreme court will hold a hearing regarding our case. The hearing will take place In Jan. Ohhhhh I cant wait. I sure hope that the question before the court is on arbitrations.

AWA320

Got a link? I am unable to find anything.

Hope I get to add 9 more names to my list.

 

[AWA320]

Welll....don't wet your shorts quite yet. This only indicates that at least ONE justice wants to hear more. And it certainly does NOT provide a definitive resolution by any stretch of the imagination.

While only 15-30% of petitions get scheduled for this conference, the vast majority of those get tossed out after the conference with nary a word.

At least one of the justices tagged the petition to be heard in conference. The lawyers will not be there. The conference is among the justices only. They will discuss it and vote on whether to hear the case.

And even if they DO hear it, it does not indicate how they might eventually rule. They could overrule the 9th, or say they didn't go far enough to slap the desert judge for interfering in union affairs over which he had no jurisdiction.

While this is a surprising hurdle to pass, the chances of it being heard are still statistically very slim. But who knows? Maybe they see that this case does indeed break new ground no matter which way the lower courts go, so they want to narrow the path. And that could be good or bad for both sides.

Interesting article on Supreme Court petition procedures:

Petitioning the Supreme Court

Pray for your sake that the challenge of arbitrations doesnt come into play here because if it does, then you may as well retire now! This is certainly where I hope they focus and I hope they admonish Seham as well, AGAIN.

AWA320

 

[sumadarson]

So no matter how much $eham charges or how many times he gets in over his head in front of an unbiased judge – you are willing to through as much money at him as his pocketbook demands? Do you have any limits on how much $eham should be allowed to fleece the pilots for. Do you demand anything in return beyond not having to vote on a TA so as to avoid the NIC?

No limit. Are the west pilots getting free legal counsel? There is no limit for the East. What is your limit?

I have seen many premature celebrations on this forum by the west, ie: St Nick. Enjoy your few moments of self esteem, they are fleeting moments.

 

[nic4us]

No limit. Are the west pilots getting free legal counsel? There is no limit for the East. What is your limit?

No, obviously the West is not getting free legal counsel.

Plan on reimbursing the amount that AOL and the West has spent for the benefit of the entire pilot group.

 

[sumadarson]

No, obviously the West is not getting free legal counsel.

Plan on reimbursing the amount that AOL and the West has spent for the benefit of the entire pilot group.

What coffer is that coming from? Where is the defense fund of USAPA coming from?

To put it in your vernacular, a large part of it is coming from "youse guys".

 

[cleardirect]

No limit. Are the west pilots getting free legal counsel? There is no limit for the East. What is your limit?

I have seen many premature celebrations on this forum by the west, ie: St Nick. Enjoy your few moments of self esteem, they are fleeting moments.

Probably need to rethink that statement. usapa has a limited amount of dues money. usapa is the CBA with representational duties other than trying to take seniority from the west. usapa does have to defend the contracts, BOTH, grievances, try and get a new contract. Worry about saftey and the variety of other legitimate union activities they are supposed to be doing. When you start spending 20-30-40% of your dues on a single issue other areas suffer. usapa will find themselves DFR'd for failure to represent. Don't go to aribtration because you can't afford it because you are spending it on a goose chase. DFR. Do you think the DOL might have an issue with a union spending 100% of it's members money on legal costs?

Yes there is a limit. A C&BL limit of how much usapa can tax.

No limit on how much the west can give.

If I were you guys. After reading the PBGC filing. I would be more worried about, the what, $1.5- $2 million being taxed for the PBGC without a return. You did read that right?

 

[sumadarson]

Pray for your sake that the challenge of arbitrations doesnt come into play here because if it does, then you may as well retire now! This is certainly where I hope they focus and I hope they admonish Seham as well, AGAIN.

AWA320

When was Seham admonished?

What happened to your 190 arbitration coup?

What is happening on your new legal interpretation of a frivolous declaratory suit by Usairways, being a no indemnity suit?

You are doing a disservice to your group of america west pilots you rely on for funds with your weak spin.

Let your conscience be your guide is not great advice for you at this point in time.

 

[sumadarson]

If I were you guys. After reading the PBGC filing. I would be more worried about, the what, $1.5- $2 million being taxed for the PBGC without a return. You did read that right?

Your under assumption of myself and the Easts pilots to have the ability and discipline to read and comprehend, has up to this point contributed your downfall.

 

[FL430]

And if the SCOTUS reverses the 9th and affirms Wake & Bybee will you then agree that $eham took everyone on a very expensive wild goose chase? $eham has been soundly rebuked by Wake, Silver, the courts in the RICO case, and the PBGC just to name a few. All Dr. Jacob did was ensure that USAPA couldn’t claim the DFR was past the statute of limitations and provide a great case for the SCOTUS to review or for DFR II should USAPA ever get a JCBA negotiated (probability very near zero).

So no matter how much $eham charges or how many times he gets in over his head in front of an unbiased judge – you are willing to through as much money at him as his pocketbook demands? Do you have any limits on how much $eham should be allowed to fleece the pilots for. Do you demand anything in return beyond not having to vote on a TA so as to avoid the NIC?

Replace "you" with "I" in these last three sentences and answer the questions yourself. You are paying twice the amount of what the easties are paying. You are paying for both sides of the lawsuit, dues to USAPA and donations to Leonidas. So who is smarter callaway?

 

[Phoenix]

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Replace "you" with "I" in these last three sentences and answer the questions yourself. You are paying twice the amount of what the easties are paying. You are paying for both sides of the lawsuit, dues to USAPA and donations to Leonidas. So who is smarter callaway?

Yeah but he can still give as much as he wants to Leonidas. USAPA is limited to how much they can collect. That's his boast.