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Phoenix I wish I knew this answer but that's what I was told. I guess it didn't happen with us because there wasn't a clear majority for one union. I think our vote for USAPA was around low 50% so it barely made it onto this property.
I think it's a good start.
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So what does Clue's observation about M-B timing have to do with the price of tea in China.
I'll bet you got beat up a lot in the schoolyard.
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Told... and you believed it? Was anything offered to you in the way of corroboration? And of course now that M-B is law, did anyone explain the apparent contradiction that such scheme would be, apparently (as you are told) supposedly doing something that M-B was meant to prevent?
Why did The Twilight Zone theme song play in my head when I read this?
I think Mike Cleary's multiple personnalities post on here as Claxon, MM and Eastus.
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Leonidas Update: April 26, 2012
Last Friday, April 20, 2012, US Airways management signed Conditional Labor Agreements (CLAs) and “Agreements of Support” with the three largest American Airlines labor unions in order to pursue a merger between the two airlines. These agreements represent significant steps toward US Airways’ goal of merging with American Airlines. Mr. Parker has apparently been in negotiations with the three unions for several months as the CLAs are quite well developed. As more details emerged, we, like you, learned that in addition to sewing up support from American’s three major unions, Mr. Parker has assembled a financial proposal which is sure to be competitive against American Airlines' CEO Tom Horton’s plan to emerge from bankruptcy as an independent airline.
The enthusiasm with which the Allied Pilots Association (APA) is promoting the possibility of a merger, and their eagerness to sign the contract offered to them by Doug Parker, should come as no surprise considering the alternative that is staring them in the face courtesy of the bankruptcy court: “In fact, if management implemented their 1113 motion, the APA leadership and its advisers believe that the APA pilots would have the worst labor contract in the US airline industry “(APA: “AA-US Airways, our best alternative”)
However, many of the provisions the APA has already tentatively agreed to with US Airways management amount to serious concessions from the America West Contract, and some sections may even be worse than LOA 93! In light of the unilateral nature of negotiations so far, this is understandable, but not at all acceptable. For instance, the AWA scheduling section is, in most respects, industry-leading and should not be discarded in the interest of expediency. The same is true with most other aspects of the West agreement, other than pay. But even West pay, due to the other provisions of our contract, is significantly higher than it appears at first glance. It is our impression that our former AWA management may have mislead the APA into thinking they are getting a great deal in their haste to come to an agreement. But, we believe most West pilots would view vast swaths of the APA Agreement with Doug Parker as major, unacceptable concessions.
We know many of you are wondering what impact this has on the seniority dispute. At this time, the answer is straightforward: nothing. In the not-to-distant future, these events will likely create the “painfully ripe” threshold which Judge Tashima set as a condition for the West pilots to pursue DFR II. To us at Leonidas, and we presume most West pilots as well, the West perspective of this proposed merger is that of curious observers. We have made it clear for almost five years now: The West will not be bullied into acquiescing or forfeiting our seniority rights. When the founders of USAPA removed our collective bargaining voice, they also permanently removed the possibility of a compromise. Hence, there is only one seniority list recognized by US Airways, and that remains the Nicolau. It matters not with whom we might merge, or how much (or little) money is on the table. If handled properly, we think this transaction has potential benefits for every pilot involved, but we will not sacrifice our rights to accommodate it at our expense. And, regardless of whether or not this transaction comes to fruition, we wish our colleagues at American Airlines nothing but the best. However, we must remain abundantly clear today, just as we have been all along: there remains is no ability (or desire) for the West to negotiate away any of the rights embodied in the Nicolau Award, and we will continue to vigorously defend those rights.
Since 2007, we have managed to fund the litigation necessary to defend our seniority rights all by ourselves, as we had no one else to rely on. Many of our pilots have contributed, and continue to give to support our plight even in the face of personal financial hardship. Most of our former AWA pilots continued to fund our litigation even as they were on furloughed status. We salute those who have stood up for yourselves, your families, your fellow AWA pilots, and the rule of law by giving sacrificially to Leonidas, LLC as we seek to protect all of our careers.
Thank you for your support!
Leonidas, LLC
Last Friday, April 20, 2012, US Airways management signed Conditional Labor Agreements (CLAs) and “Agreements of Support” with the three largest American Airlines labor unions in order to pursue a merger between the two airlines. These agreements represent significant steps toward US Airways’ goal of merging with American Airlines. Mr. Parker has apparently been in negotiations with the three unions for several months as the CLAs are quite well developed. As more details emerged, we, like you, learned that in addition to sewing up support from American’s three major unions, Mr. Parker has assembled a financial proposal which is sure to be competitive against American Airlines' CEO Tom Horton’s plan to emerge from bankruptcy as an independent airline.
The enthusiasm with which the Allied Pilots Association (APA) is promoting the possibility of a merger, and their eagerness to sign the contract offered to them by Doug Parker, should come as no surprise considering the alternative that is staring them in the face courtesy of the bankruptcy court: “In fact, if management implemented their 1113 motion, the APA leadership and its advisers believe that the APA pilots would have the worst labor contract in the US airline industry “(APA: “AA-US Airways, our best alternative”)
However, many of the provisions the APA has already tentatively agreed to with US Airways management amount to serious concessions from the America West Contract, and some sections may even be worse than LOA 93! In light of the unilateral nature of negotiations so far, this is understandable, but not at all acceptable. For instance, the AWA scheduling section is, in most respects, industry-leading and should not be discarded in the interest of expediency. The same is true with most other aspects of the West agreement, other than pay. But even West pay, due to the other provisions of our contract, is significantly higher than it appears at first glance. It is our impression that our former AWA management may have mislead the APA into thinking they are getting a great deal in their haste to come to an agreement. But, we believe most West pilots would view vast swaths of the APA Agreement with Doug Parker as major, unacceptable concessions.
We know many of you are wondering what impact this has on the seniority dispute. At this time, the answer is straightforward: nothing. In the not-to-distant future, these events will likely create the “painfully ripe” threshold which Judge Tashima set as a condition for the West pilots to pursue DFR II. To us at Leonidas, and we presume most West pilots as well, the West perspective of this proposed merger is that of curious observers. We have made it clear for almost five years now: The West will not be bullied into acquiescing or forfeiting our seniority rights. When the founders of USAPA removed our collective bargaining voice, they also permanently removed the possibility of a compromise. Hence, there is only one seniority list recognized by US Airways, and that remains the Nicolau. It matters not with whom we might merge, or how much (or little) money is on the table. If handled properly, we think this transaction has potential benefits for every pilot involved, but we will not sacrifice our rights to accommodate it at our expense. And, regardless of whether or not this transaction comes to fruition, we wish our colleagues at American Airlines nothing but the best. However, we must remain abundantly clear today, just as we have been all along: there remains is no ability (or desire) for the West to negotiate away any of the rights embodied in the Nicolau Award, and we will continue to vigorously defend those rights.
Since 2007, we have managed to fund the litigation necessary to defend our seniority rights all by ourselves, as we had no one else to rely on. Many of our pilots have contributed, and continue to give to support our plight even in the face of personal financial hardship. Most of our former AWA pilots continued to fund our litigation even as they were on furloughed status. We salute those who have stood up for yourselves, your families, your fellow AWA pilots, and the rule of law by giving sacrificially to Leonidas, LLC as we seek to protect all of our careers.
Thank you for your support!
Leonidas, LLC
Enjoy your cherished fantasies. I hope that astoundingly brilliant response didn't melt any internal circuitry 😉
I rest my case = "In my estimation; "civilized" must come from within any person, and requires some degree of actual respect and reasonable concern for others."
I'll leave others to place their "faith" in the tribal shamans/arbitrators 😉
I thought the donation request was just standard boiler plate to be included in any of that fellow's communications.
"Why did The Twilight Zone theme song play in my head when I read this?"
Sigh!....Before any can help with the problem there; Are there times when it ever goes away?...
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Of course, it is interspersed with the Pink Panther Theme music, the Don't Worry Be Happy song, and the Barney Song (He has kids).
Well, there you have it. Those are the type of significant details needed for even attempting to establish any appropriate treatment protocols.
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BPR Special Meeting Notice: April 26, 2012
In accordance with the USAPA Constitution and Bylaws and the Union Operating Manual there will be a Special Meeting of the Board of Pilot Representatives to commence on Monday, April 30th at 0900 and to adjourn on May 1st at the conclusion of business. The meeting will take place at the USAPA offices.
In addition to Officer Reports, the agenda will include:
- Committee appointments
- Interview of Professional Negotiators
- Interview of Negotiating Committee candidates
- Briefing by APA President David Bates
- Discussion on a Professional Standards Initiative with US Airways Chief Pilots
- Board discussion and resolutions concerning the Pension Investigation Assessment
- Resolution concerning the recording of BPR meetings
- Briefing and discussion of Office Staff
- Review of BPR and Officer communications
- Merger and Negotiating Advisory Committees briefing
- Review of past Board business that has been tabled for needed actions and/or possible dismissal
- Age 60 PBS resolution
- Business Intelligence Committee update
- Discussion with USAPA General Counsel Brian O'Dwyer including:
- - Dismissal of NY status quo litigation
- - NC Permanent Injunction
- - LifeLock Protection
- Doug Parker introduction and presentation to the BPR on Tuesday, May 1st
Attendees will include Communications, NAC, Scope, Merger, and Business Intelligence Committees, and legal counsel.
USAPA Communications
In accordance with the USAPA Constitution and Bylaws and the Union Operating Manual there will be a Special Meeting of the Board of Pilot Representatives to commence on Monday, April 30th at 0900 and to adjourn on May 1st at the conclusion of business. The meeting will take place at the USAPA offices.
In addition to Officer Reports, the agenda will include:
- Committee appointments
- Interview of Professional Negotiators
- Interview of Negotiating Committee candidates
- Briefing by APA President David Bates
- Discussion on a Professional Standards Initiative with US Airways Chief Pilots
- Board discussion and resolutions concerning the Pension Investigation Assessment
- Resolution concerning the recording of BPR meetings
- Briefing and discussion of Office Staff
- Review of BPR and Officer communications
- Merger and Negotiating Advisory Committees briefing
- Review of past Board business that has been tabled for needed actions and/or possible dismissal
- Age 60 PBS resolution
- Business Intelligence Committee update
- Discussion with USAPA General Counsel Brian O'Dwyer including:
- - Dismissal of NY status quo litigation
- - NC Permanent Injunction
- - LifeLock Protection
- Doug Parker introduction and presentation to the BPR on Tuesday, May 1st
Attendees will include Communications, NAC, Scope, Merger, and Business Intelligence Committees, and legal counsel.
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