US Pilots Labor Discussion

[OTTER574]

Just a reminder Dr. Phil is not a medical doctor so he cant have a "patient" . This is one of your many problems......you dont know what your talking about.

Please by all means explain what list was accepted by LCC and was stated under oath in a FEDERAL COURT of LAW by lcc vp of labor al hemenway

If I'm wrong, I do apologize to you mikey60.


Otter

 

[sumadarson]

You can't stay on topic so you must deflect. How intellectual of you. What part of the truth are YOU afraid of?

You can answer for you boy mikey60 since he wont.

USAPA = We cant handle the truth. But we love LOA93.

Your machine malfunctioned, what part of that truth do you not understand.

Badge Backers from the west are the quintessential deniers of the truth.

Here is your time line.

1 Declaratory dismissed. Within 30 days

2 loa 93. Companies favor. Within 30 days

3 Company is cleared for take off in a corporate transaction after 1 and 2.

Enjoy Mesa or Frontier. You are going with what you brought to the merger, the sand that you and the west pilots keep their head in.

Resist the temptation of saying in retort about others with their head in other dark places, be original for once.

 

[cleardirect]

Well , well , well, this is a real eye opener.....


This representational election in PHL may be one of the most crucial events since the founding of USAPA. Now that may seem like an overstatement, however if you have been paying attention to the recent political food fight over the USAPA office location then you may just have some idea of why.


As you are sure to know Steve Szpyrka has been elected Chairman by acclamation and this is a very good thing indeed. The Vice Chairman contest, however, has yet to be decided. The field of candidates is filled by popular men, each of whom has his own skill set. Some of them also come with certain political dispositions that pose a significant danger to the driving force behind our goals as a union. This is a distinction that we, as a group, would all be quite remiss to allow to go without proper attention.

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Anyone want to take credit for this? How about an authors name or do we disregard it as unsigned trash?

 

[doh nogo]

And unlike the west we dont have PM's going back and forth like 10 year old girls maybe thats the mentality were dealing with 10 year olds.

No. You easties just send insulting flame bait to individual posters to stir the pot and try to illicit a response. I've gotten one and know others who get them regularly from your buddies. What a bunch of little girls you are.

And BTW, I don't have a problem with your banter back and forth. I was responding to the person who said the fist fight on USAPA FPL time that happened 2 weeks ago was old news and we should "give us a break already."

Double standards my friend. Don't dish out what you can't take. And you are one of the worst with the emotional rants and name calling. Maybe you should chill a bit and dial it back a notch or two.

 

[aquagreen73s]

2 loa 93. Companies favor. Within 30 days

Stop stealing my thunder!

Oh, and the company's action isn't going to be dismissed. Cleary has made sure of that with his stupid letters. The Dec Action will grind along as will life under LOA 93.

 

[Freebird]

Your machine malfunctioned, what part of that truth do you not understand.

Badge Backers from the west are the quintessential deniers of the truth.

Here is your time line.

1 Declaratory dismissed. Within 30 days

2 loa 93. Companies favor. Within 30 days

3 Company is cleared for take off in a corporate transaction after 1 and 2.

Enjoy Mesa or Frontier. You are going with what you brought to the merger, the sand that you and the west pilots keep their head in.

Resist the temptation of saying in retort about others with their head in other dark places, be original for once.

You read my post and yet you cannot contradict it. Again, you deflect. There is only one truth. You choose to avoid it. You are only fooling yourselves back east.

How does it feel being on the WRONG side of this mess? Going nowhere, fast. Clicking your heels wont change it, Dorothy.

USAPA = The joke of aviation unions. Sadly, no ones laughing but Doug Parker.

 

[cleardirect]

Your machine malfunctioned, what part of that truth do you not understand.

Badge Backers from the west are the quintessential deniers of the truth.

Here is your time line.

1 Declaratory dismissed. Within 30 days

2 loa 93. Companies favor. Within 30 days

3 Company is cleared for take off in a corporate transaction after 1 and 2.

Enjoy Mesa or Frontier. You are going with what you brought to the merger, the sand that you and the west pilots keep their head in.

Resist the temptation of saying in retort about others with their head in other dark places, be original for once.

1 Dismissal. Possibly. Don't know if it will be within 30 days this judge is slow. But she could keep it.

2. LOA win for the company. Agreed.

3. Transaction maybe 1 to 2 years.

Here we go back to the fragmentation dream. OK I will play. How much money does Mesa have right now or Frontier? Try thinking like a money guy for a minute? How are you going to make money merging the west and a tiny commuter just out of BK? What does the east bring to the dance other than excess pilots and planes to be cut and parked? Parker has said the domestic market is mature. DAL, UAL, AA does not need any more domestic. Int. Hey maybe a few hundred might keep your jobs. But the trash you call WB's would have to go. Could be the other airline just wants the slots not the pilots or equipment.

Just how would you split the company?

So you think you would go to one of the big boys because????? Enjoy that majority rule thing that you guys have been trying to jam down our throats. They are a lot bigger and better funded and oh yeah a lot smarter than usapa and you east boys. You thought the Nicolau was bad. You will find out what a staple really is. Yeah I know M/B. Only if you can afford the arbitration and the lawyers. Spin off 1/3 of your dues money, now do the math. Puts you guys down to about $7.5 mill. with a union that costs you $11 mill to run.The other guys will make it very expensive for you. How about another assesment? Ops already have a few of those. How is the reserve cash looking?

Your dream could quickly turn to a nightmare. Enjoy!

 

[OTTER574]

Your machine malfunctioned, what part of that truth do you not understand.

Badge Backers from the west are the quintessential deniers of the truth.

Here is your time line.

1 Declaratory dismissed. Within 30 days

2 loa 93. Companies favor. Within 30 days

3 Company is cleared for take off in a corporate transaction after 1 and 2.

Enjoy Mesa or Frontier. You are going with what you brought to the merger, the sand that you and the west pilots keep their head in.

Your time line means....

usap..ass will be PARKED by the NMB.

please explain to me what a twice bankrupt Us Air brought to this so called merger?...and who would want such a cluster F$%K dysfunctional airline such as this?

Us Air furloughed angry first officers running a so called union to try and steal what they didn't bring, is not the answer!

Otter

 

[sumadarson]

Oh, and the company's action isn't going to be dismissed. Cleary has made sure of that with his stupid letters. The Dec Action will grind along as will life under LOA 93.

Be ready to be quoted soon. Good Day.

 

[mikey60]

Afraid of the truth mikey60? What part did I get wrong? Please explain.


USAPA = For every season, spin, spin. In every update spin, spin.

paragraph #1. Who in mgt said" they are tired of dealing with USAPA and its attempts to avoid arbitration".

paragraph#2." They put themselves into a DFR lawsuit" we filed the lawsuit?

paragraph#3. Your opinion only, it hasn't happened yet, no facts

paragraph#4 There is no west of east in this, its USAPA and the company.

paragraph#5 USAPA knows the facts all to well and LOA 93 is still better than the nic.

paragraph#6 Your predicting the outcome. not stating facts.

 

[mikey60]

Please by all means explain what list was accepted by LCC and was stated under oath in a FEDERAL COURT of LAW by lcc vp of labor al hemenway

If I'm wrong, I do apologize to you mikey60.


Otter

O.K. lets try this one more time by the way is anyone counting. The nic was accepted. The nic was accepted. The nic was accepted. WE GET IT. Now while Hemenway was under oath did he say that the nic would be implemented? No. Did he say that no other list would be accepted? No. Did he give any clue that no other list would be considered? No. In all seriousness I think you and many other people are reading to much into the fact that mgt. accepted the NIC as a possible way of putting the two groups together. Apology accepted.

 

[crazystnic]

Please by all means explain what list was accepted by LCC and was stated under oath in a FEDERAL COURT of LAW by lcc vp of labor al hemenway

If I'm wrong, I do apologize to you mikey60.


Otter

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yeah and Cleary stated at the CLT meeting that we have given them our list as well.... so what?

bottom line IMO... Cleary is doing a good job focused on the list and the contract..

1/3 of the list is trying to sabotage him, but it wont happen...
he is focused better than any President we have had... sure beats some of the old ALPA MEC presidents we have had in the past...

 

[aquagreen73s]

bottom line IMO... Cleary is doing a good job focused on the list and the contract..

Which means he's doing a great job of keeping you on LOA93! I'm all for him. Go Cleary!

 

[OTTER574]

O.K. lets try this one more time by the way is anyone counting. The nic was accepted. The nic was accepted. The nic was accepted. WE GET IT. Now while Hemenway was under oath did he say that the nic would be implemented? No. Did he say that no other list would be accepted? No. Did he give any clue that no other list would be considered? No. In all seriousness I think you and many other people are reading to much into the fact that mgt. accepted the NIC as a possible way of putting the two groups together. Apology accepted.

So what your saying mikey60 is that the George Nicolau Award was ACCEPTED by lcc. Is the list going forward and only waiting a JOINT CONTRACT with lcc???...

funny how usap..ass union seems to delay this JOINT CONTRACT thing?==usapa will be parked by the NMB, guaranteed.

Otter

 

[Pi brat]

Aquaman, how are those bid numbers coming? Got the old abacus fired up? Looking forward, please don't make me wait as I know you have it right there in front of you.