US Pilots Labor Discussion

[doh nogo]

I always get lost as to why you guys think any damages would go back to 2008. We are still operating under the TA, and the TA calls for separate ops until a ratified joint contract.

All we have to do is show that the delay was intentional and calculated in order to harm us and advantage yourselves in the form of out of seniority furloughs and keeping flying that is supposed to be shared.

That should be a pretty easy task from all the talk of it here. Heck, your guys actually brag about the 10 year delay thanks to Cleary's lawsuits and appeals. Not to mention that it's been documented that the whole purpose of USAPA's existence was to circumvent legally binding arbitration by avoiding a joint contract.

 

[im back..!!]

In April of '10 I did the all nighter in CLT. We're waiting for the hotel van and the captain strikes up a conversation with an East 76 captain. They wound up comparing W2s and sure enough, my captain made more. And the guy I was flying with was not a time whore. He just flew the line awarded each month. I don't recall what the 76 captain did - sit reserve or what. But I do remember that he was shocked by my captain's W2.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I believe comparing is going to become very unpopular in the future,

USAPA will be alowed, due to the freedom of information act, to access any and all usairways logbooks and mtc. writeups...

Dont be suprised if a few "black sheep" from both sides are not uncovered.....Carrying an aircraft is not approved under our POI, and should not be tolerated...

If your to timid to do your job, ie: seek mtc. when something needs attention, then maybe you shouldnt have a liscense, that invokes that authority...

Our Union, (and anyone for that matter) should strive for minimizing any and all unsatasfactory crews, in the interest of passenger saftey...

Lets hope training of these individuales is all that is required to get them back into the safety realm......

So, ......if its broke, or out of tolerance, it needs to be addressed, it wont be adressed if its not in the FDML....pretty simple concept....

.....Carry your MTC issues at your own expense, the next crew might see it otherwise.....HHMMM food for thought....?

 

[Ames]

AMES, this is the dipshit on crack!

MM, it's you, only you.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Not to mention that it's been documented that the whole purpose of USAPA's existence was to circumvent legally binding arbitration by avoiding a joint contract.

Also known as "cowardly weenie-ing out of a signed agreement" What part of "binding" do they not get?

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Deflection?

Wait a minute. The former america west pilots flew drugs, crossed picket lines, flew drunk, stole from the company computers the personal information about the east pilots and other crimes, while the former america west management stood by and did nothing.

The former america west ceo and now Usairways ceo has a history of driving drunk and was arrested for the same in the last few years. Now former america west management team member and now VP of Usairways Scott Kirby was disorderly on a flight from PHL to Manchester England.

It is not mudslinging, it is the truth that all the Usairways employees and investors should be concerned about. Try to defend any of these actions. No wonder Usairways is in a tail spin.

Yeah, and the East has you! Your craziness outweighs all!

 

[700UW]

The freedom of information act is when you want info from the government, not a corporation, try again.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I believe comparing is going to become very unpopular in the future,

USAPA will be alowed, due to the freedom of information act, to access any and all usairways logbooks and mtc. writeups...

Dont be suprised if a few "black sheep" from both sides are not uncovered.....Carrying an aircraft is not approved under our POI, and should not be tolerated...

If your to timid to do your job, ie: seek mtc. when something needs attention, then maybe you shouldnt have a liscense, that invokes that authority...

Our Union, (and anyone for that matter) should strive for minimizing any and all unsatasfactory crews, in the interest of passenger saftey...

Lets hope training of these individuales is all that is required to get them back into the safety realm......

So, ......if its broke, or out of tolerance, it needs to be addressed, it wont be adressed if its not in the FDML....pretty simple concept....

.....Carry your MTC issues at your own expense, the next crew might see it otherwise.....HHMMM food for thought....?

Anyone who takes this post seriously should probably have his head examined.

 

[cleardirect]

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I believe comparing is going to become very unpopular in the future,

USAPA will be alowed, due to the freedom of information act, to access any and all usairways logbooks and mtc. writeups...

Dont be suprised if a few "black sheep" from both sides are not uncovered.....Carrying an aircraft is not approved under our POI, and should not be tolerated...

If your to timid to do your job, ie: seek mtc. when something needs attention, then maybe you shouldnt have a liscense, that invokes that authority...

Our Union, (and anyone for that matter) should strive for minimizing any and all unsatasfactory crews, in the interest of passenger saftey...

Lets hope training of these individuales is all that is required to get them back into the safety realm......

So, ......if its broke, or out of tolerance, it needs to be addressed, it wont be adressed if its not in the FDML....pretty simple concept....

.....Carry your MTC issues at your own expense, the next crew might see it otherwise.....HHMMM food for thought....?

Sounds to me like a threat to those "not on board"

Since east/west is not flying together here is an east pilot threatening east crews. Same play book. Intimidation to get cooperation because the ideas lack merit or support.

Keep wearing the yellow coward band.

 

[A320 Driver]

.....Carry your MTC issues at your own expense, the next crew might see it otherwise.....HHMMM food for thought....?

THAT is without question one of the most asinine statements I've ever read on this board. It is right up there with the idiots that deny jumpseat. No one should be "carrying" anything anyway. If it's broken, you get it fixed by qualified personel...period.

What's next? We going to turn each other in for forgetting the beacon on the Shutdown Flow?

Driver <_<

 

[767one]

All we have to do is show that the delay was intentional and calculated in order to harm us and advantage yourselves in the form of out of seniority furloughs and keeping flying that is supposed to be shared.

That should be a pretty easy task from all the talk of it here. Heck, your guys actually brag about the 10 year delay thanks to Cleary's lawsuits and appeals. Not to mention that it's been documented that the whole purpose of USAPA's existence was to circumvent legally binding arbitration by avoiding a joint contract.

Nogo,

It looks to me like the company and the west have been delaying a bit. The company dj filing is a big player.

Bob

 

[CactusPilot1]

EPISODE IV

In this Star Wars spoof, we skewer USAPA's pathetic, emotional response to Leonidas' informative, factual brochures.

http://www.internettrashtalk.com/

 

[No Land Green]

This video implies that the West thinks it can get East FO's nearly $124 an hour if you embrace the Nic Award. Good Luck. I'm sure the East FO's would love that, but then again, they will get that raise through attrition. Again, good luck.

 

[aquagreen73s]

I'm sure the East FO's would love that, but then again, they will get that raise through attrition.

Assuming static fleets, attrition in stand alone on East yields approximately the same number of upgrades as would the Nicolau. Given the severe second dip recession we're heading into (see today's non-farm payroll numbers and this week's ISM numbers? Horrid) I'd say static fleet or a reversion to absolute fleet minimums will be coming soon. Separate ops for the West means East does not steal our upgrades. If you want to live under LOA93, that's fine with us.

 

[USA320Pilot]

The World at Work. Comprehending the Workings of the World Beyond USAPA's Sphere of Influence.

The World at Work. Comprehending the Workings of the World Beyond USAPA's Sphere of Influence. How is it that USAPA's version of history and the World View are so very different. What is better for the pilots: The world view or the narrow and isolated USAPA view?

Click here to know the truth.

 

[Ames]

THAT is without question one of the most asinine statements I've ever read on this board. It is right up there with the idiots that deny jumpseat. No one should be "carrying" anything anyway. If it's broken, you get it fixed by qualified personel...period.

What's next? We going to turn each other in for forgetting the beacon on the Shutdown Flow?

Driver <_<

I don't think one would be an idiot if they denied HIM the jumpseat.