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June 7, 2011

Leonidas Update

It was one year ago Friday, June 4th, that the Ninth Circuit published their ruling that the Addington case was not ripe for adjudication. In a split decision, Judges Tashima and Graber left “USAPA to bargain in good faith pursuant to its DFR, with the interests of all members — both East and West — in mind, under pain of an unquestionably ripe DFR suit, once a contract is ratified.” [Addington, FN1 pg. 8008] We made bold the last part of that sentence since USAPA and Mike Cleary regularly leave it off of their updates. The meaning of that holding could not be more clear. It was the judicial equivalent of saying, “we have no comment at this time, but bring the case again when there is a completed contract if you are not satisfied with the seniority section.” The West will be happy to present the case again because we have a high degree of certainty that nothing is going to change at USAPA. It is USAPA that made the case against itself in Addington, and looking back over the past year, USAPA continues to make the case for the West pilots.

It is hard to comprehend how anyone could misunderstand the plain meaning of the Ninth’s holding, yet USAPA has managed to take what was precise and morph it into an unrecognizable form. If USAPA had “won” as they insist, then why are we writing this evening – a full year after the Ninth – with a date-of-hire contract being as distant and elusive as ever? If USAPA is free to negotiate seniority, then why didn’t the company’s declaratory action get dismissed as the union requested? The answer to both of these questions is that USAPA has been dead wrong about everything they say regarding Addington. None of the West claims died when the Ninth ruled. In fact, West claims have only grown stronger due to USAPA’s unrelenting and blatant discrimination. They do it so much that they do not even realize when they are doing it. Over time, the West has learned to live with the reality that we will never be fairly represented by USAPA in its present form. The West has only strengthened in solidarity, and this is what we want to say this evening: Leonidas is very proud of this pilot group! We have stood shoulder to shoulder and have successfully defended our careers. We see USAPA’s antics for what they really are, what they manifest, and what they can do for us in DFR II. In summary, only an impotent bargaining agent would act the way USAPA has acted, and USAPA’s failure to achieve anything meaningful over the past three years only proves we are correct.

We know many of you are looking for specific answers to how the declaratory action will play out, and we will answer your questions as best we can. Since the declaratory action is still in its infancy, we cannot do any better than to speak in broad terms at this time. We will narrow our analysis as the case develops, but for now we offer this synopsis:

(1) In previous updates we have expressed that it seemed that a principal concern of the Ninth was to avoid judicial intervention which might change the dynamics of the Section 6 process. That is why the Ninth’s conclusion (which we quoted in the first paragraph) restates the union’s legal duty to represent all pilots, and warns that the union’s execution of their duty to fairly represent will be judged once there is a complete contract. While we believe the Ninth ignored the mountain of evidence which made our case ripe already, we must point out that the Ninth did not relieve USAPA of its duty to fairly represent the West pilots and that a jury found that DOH would fail to meet that standard.

(2) Judge Silver appears to be concerned about adhering to the intent of the Ninth’s ruling in Addington. She carefully crafted her recent ruling to address concerns expressed by the Ninth's dicta in Addington. Application of the non-intervention principle from Addington to the company’s declaratory action would have the effect of limiting what Judge Silver will declare (rule) with regards to future events. In other words, unless something is a known fact today and cannot change during the Section 6 process, then we are inclined to think that Judge Silver will not rule on something that is contingent or speculative. Doing so would be altering the dynamics of negotiations between the company and USAPA. That is something that the Ninth was unwilling to do between USAPA and the West pilots and we believe the same non-interference policy will be applied in the declaratory action. What that means is this: we feel that the district court will not reach a clear ruling on the company’s Claim II, which asks whether a non-Nicolau list violates the Railway Labor Act. Nobody knows what a non-Nicolau list will look like until we actually see it in the form of a ratified contract. Without a clear resolution for Claim II, USAPA is stuck because the company has already made it clear in both oral and written arguments to the court that the company is not inclined to negotiate seniority; the company sees its role as simply the recipient of a seniority list only. That seniority list must be a legal seniority list (i.e. one that is not the product of a union breaching its DFR) because the company’s liability under a Hybrid DFR action turns on the union’s execution of its duty to fairly represent in concert with the company. The Ninth Circuit ruled that the district court is not to examine USAPA’s DFR with regards to seniority until there is a completed contract, so the company understandably wants to know now whether USAPA’s non-Nicolau list will be a breach of the union’s DFR.

(3) We expect that relevant facts from Addington will be imported into the company’s declaratory action, against USAPA’s vehement objections. The Nicolau Award is a known fact not subject to change. The rights and obligations embodied within the Transition Agreement at the time the T/A was signed are clear and unambiguous. Regardless of how those two documents get into the declaratory action, both are relevant and instructive and both will be admitted into the company’s declaratory action. Both are known facts not subject to change during the Section 6 process.

(4) We have no way of knowing how fast Judge Silver will process the company’s declaratory action, but we believe that one year should be enough to get through the District Court, and another year to get through the Ninth Circuit is realistic. We cannot, however, forget that almost one year has already passed since the lawsuit was filed, so the total time required to decide this lawsuit could stretch well beyond three years.

That is all for this evening. Thank you for you support and trust. Together, we will see this seniority dispute through to the end.


Sincerely,

Leonidas LLC

www.cactuspilot.com
 
I disagree with your article. There is NO case law that supports your theorem. The article "discusses" the development of legal processes...however, again, is legal postulation but the The Supreme Court has already ruled.

We were NOT contrallually mandated. You are flat out wrong. If it were otherwise, there would be no vote. Democratic rights trump your premise which again is why the 9th found your case to be not ripe. To do otherwise will cause future interference with CBA. Again, you can "believe" what you want but I have proven you wrong and you simply will not admit it.

We'll be in court well past the time the new hires on the third list on the East take our attrition. I am now in the camp that believes your right to capture attrition above them is now worth nothing.

Good luck with your court cases.

1. The SCOTUS has not ruled on McCaskill-Bond. That is what you call "the developement of legal process". It is now the law, and it guarantees binding arbitration to settle seniority disputes. We settled ours with arbitration prior to MB, but it is still allowed and not barred by the SCOTUS.

2. We most certainly were contractually mandated by the TA to integrate seniority via ALPA merger policy. What do you think all the fuss is about? Oh, and that tripartite contract has the company's signature on it. Can you say collusion with a DFR if they help usapa change the policy?

3. Whether or not the third list takes our attrition, is of no consequesnce to me. Further, after 3 years, the vast majority of east attrition is junior to me. But, if the cases take a decade like you suggest, I will be gone also, having stopped usapa from stealing my job, while at the same time making the reneging malcontents pay for their miserable raises with the loss of their fellow supporters incomes to the tune of what, a couple hundred grand a piece? Is there a whole "camp" of you losers over there?
 
The 9th did not embroil itself in the bargaining process because they found it fruitless to speculate about the possible conclusions of the matter. The only way forward is through the bargaining process. Speculating about the outcome isn't bargaining. Bargaining is bargaining.
That is a non-answer. The company has stated that seniority is not bargained for, period. The company only wants immunity from the west.
 
The company is dragging its feet on contract negotiations using the lack of consensus regarding seniority as an excuse for doing so. In as much as Section 22 is essentially a "no cost" item, it should not be holding up progress on all the other sections. While I agree with the decision to file the law suit to force the company to negotiate in good faith, I also think the process used by Cleary to do so was flawed and that he should be recalled as a consequence.

The contract (excluding Section 22) should be completed ASAP. Depending on how Silver rules on the DJ, as soon as she does and or the Company does not file an appeal, the completed contract should be sent out for ratification with two choices for Section 22, if possible, and let the pilots decided Nick or DOH. There is a lot of talk about how a Nick inclusive contract might pass depending on the rest of the contract terms, let's put it out and see. Once a contract is ratified the DFR's, sponsored by one or both sides of the seniority dispute, can begin.

seajay

Hey seajay,

Are you buying into the usapa propaganda that it is the company causing the delay? These jerks told the West they would force seperate ops indefinitely, prior to usapa even getting elected. Now usapa carries the perpetual seperate ops torch. Seniority is not holding up a contract, usapa is, and that is all there is to it.

Also, you agree with usapa filing yet another frivolous lawsuit over negotiations? Man, you are out to lunch brother. These are the people who walked from negotiations, then re-opened every section, then dragged their feet waiting on the LOA93 arbitration they are going to lose. The 7th circuit lawsuit is just more of the same from the idiots who want to cause delay. Also, they have now likely pissed off the mediator, who they just said ain't doing the job. They seem to be intentionally trying to force the mediator to park them.

Further, you sound like you are buying the east BS line that if usapa does not use DOH usapa will get sued by east pilots for DFR for not following their illegal constitution. The most contorted logic imaginable dreams that up, and you are buying into it?
 
Hey seajay,

Are you buying into the usapa propaganda that it is the company causing the delay? These jerks told the West they would force seperate ops indefinitely, prior to usapa even getting elected. Now usapa carries the perpetual seperate ops torch. Seniority is not holding up a contract, usapa is, and that is all there is to it.

Also, you agree with usapa filing yet another frivolous lawsuit over negotiations? Man, you are out to lunch brother. These are the people who walked from negotiations, then re-opened every section, then dragged their feet waiting on the LOA93 arbitration they are going to lose. The 7th circuit lawsuit is just more of the same from the idiots who want to cause delay. Also, they have now likely pissed off the mediator, who they just said ain't doing the job. They seem to be intentionally trying to force the mediator to park them.

Further, you sound like you are buying the east BS line that if usapa does not use DOH usapa will get sued by east pilots for DFR for not following their illegal constitution. The most contorted logic imaginable dreams that up, and you are buying into it?
Maybe those F/A's are "BUYING INTO" the USAPA montra, I guess USAPA is holding up the F/A's also! I guess USAPA is holding up the UNITED/CONT negotiations also, that heat surely has fried your brain!
 
That is a non-answer. The company has stated that seniority is not bargained for, period. The company only wants immunity from the west.

Speculation is non-bargaining. The company fully understands that the 9th has acknowledged the preexistent reality that USAPA and the Company are in the midst of bargaining and the company fully understands that they cannot refuse to bargain. Whatever position the company finally holds, it is in fact a bargaining position, and eventually the pilots will ratify what they are agreeable to.

The company knows they must bargain with USAPA and wants to clarify that they have no responsibility to represent their opponents. Duh.
 
Speculation is non-bargaining. The company fully understands that the 9th has acknowledged the preexistent reality that USAPA and the Company are in the midst of bargaining and the company fully understands that they cannot refuse to bargain. Whatever position the company finally holds, it is in fact a bargaining position, and eventually the pilots will ratify what they are agreeable to.

The company knows they must bargain with USAPA and wants to clarify that they have no responsibility to represent their opponents. Duh.

Is the company asking if they have to represent the West, or are they asking to be relieved from liability from the West when the West sues them and usapa for the illegal bargaining proposal usapa seeks?

I do not remember any of the three questions in the DJ asking about the West being represented. As a matter of fact, the company knows the West is represented, and how bad they are going to get their clocks cleaned by that representation if they collude with usapa in a DFR DOH list.
 
Well maybe the company knows they are going to get their clocks cleaned because they have ALREADY colluded with AOL in the EAST identity theft!, Why would you hire an outside council to deal with it, or their collusion in ADDINGTON, asking to be dissmissed then bringing a DJ,looks like collusion with AOL to me! Especially the WEBER< EBERWEINE connection!
 
Speculation is non-bargaining. The company fully understands that the 9th has acknowledged the preexistent reality that USAPA and the Company are in the midst of bargaining and the company fully understands that they cannot refuse to bargain. Whatever position the company finally holds, it is in fact a bargaining position, and eventually the pilots will ratify what they are agreeable to.

The company knows they must bargain with USAPA and wants to clarify that they have no responsibility to represent their opponents. Duh.
another non answer.
 
Well maybe the company knows they are going to get their clocks cleaned because they have ALREADY colluded with AOL in the EAST identity theft!, Why would you hire an outside council to deal with it, or their collusion in ADDINGTON, asking to be dissmissed then bringing a DJ,looks like collusion with AOL to me! Especially the WEBER< EBERWEINE connection!

Sue away on that identity theft thing. Put it in a state court this time so defendants can take your scumbag union for some SLAP money, would ya? The company mave have colluded with AOL in that they allowed AOL to reveal pilots addresses to those same pilots who live in said address, ....oh the humanity!!!! Make AOL and the company co-defendants so that Cleary can kick all the "felons" out of the negotiating room because of a conflict of interest.

I agree about Addington. The company should have stayed and taken their lumps. But why would they? They told usapa to pound sand when usapa handed the DOH list. So, they distanced themselves from usapa, who was about to be found liable for DFR. Still only one system wide accepted seniority list at LCC, and it is authored by Nicolau.

Weber/Eberweine... ??? MM..are you jealous???
 
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