US Pilots Labor Discussion

[flyinawa]

Have you not received AB321's? Or did I imagine that?

Primarily as replacement aircraft for out-going 737s. Any other things you might have imagined?

 

[767jetz]

Based on past merger attempts United and Delta pilots don't seem to agree with you.

I'd be happy to verify that as a FACT.

 

[ROACLT]

Ames,

When the old man put 5 week new hires ahead of 17 year never furloughed guys you had to know it was going to be a disaster! The average age in the east is 59 years old. Most of us have experienced the ups and downs of this industry. Most pilots in this industry would love to merge with the oldest pilot group in this country. Attrition in the east has arrived. There is nothing to stop it. The east is hiring 22 pilots a month. We are so short staffed in the east.......this summer is becoming a challenge. Some day the west pilots will look back and see that you guys made some tactical errors. Every east new hire will always vote with the east pilots for separate ops. They will see the attrition and the massive move up the list on a monthly basis. They will upgrade to Captain with separate operations very quickly. When Kasher comes in it is game over. Personally, I hope Lakefield works another deal that splits this abortion of a merger up. This place will never be right! Nicolau did not do any of us any favors.

Hate

Breakups do happen.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20110614/BUSINESS/106140334/Republic-to-shed-majority-interest-in-Frontier-pilots-consider-stake?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|BUSINESS

 

[A320 Driver]

The truth of the matter is, had we not "merged" US Airways would have liquidated and AWA would have grown into the markets abandoned by your "once great airline". While you would have stood in your rightful place on the unemployment line ALL of the upgrades from our growing company would have gone to AWA pilots.

The difference between our two groups is that, despite what I said above, we did "merge" and the AWA pilots are willing to share all subsequent growth while east pilots want to hoard it all for themselves. You have gotten all of the new 757's, 330's and 190's. What have we gotten?

You are hiring now. We have guys on furlough. WTFO?

Uhhh, not according to Parker. Better check that PHX Crew News again. He said had we not merged that you wouldn't be here right now. Who is right? The CEO and former financial guru or YOU?

We did not get all the 757s. You just got one I believe and we didn't get enough to cover the ones they gave back to the leasors. 190s were the source of a successful arbitration. And even with the A330-200s we are still at min fleet count. No different than you getting a steady stream of new A320 family aircraft to cover the 320s and 737s you are losing.

Those are facts. Not opinions.

Driver B)

 

[snapthis]

Breakups do happen.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20110614/BUSINESS/106140334/Republic-to-shed-majority-interest-in-Frontier-pilots-consider-stake?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|BUSINESS

Go mess up somebody else's airline. You wore out your welcome here.

 

[flybynite]

Read the article.
I wonder what the "controversial" rewriting of their seniority list entails?

 

[john john]

AWA would have grown into the markets abandoned by your "once great airline". While you would have stood in your rightful place on the unemployment line ALL of the upgrades from our growing company would have gone to AWA pilots.

Not very credible or capable with Parker and gang

 

[luvthe9]

Go mess up somebody else's airline. You wore out your welcome here.

John John is right on. Then west will go away soon....

 

[luvthe9]

Roa clt is dead on.

 

[700UW]

Frontier isnt being broken up, they are asking for concessions and might sell an equity stake, people really need to comprehend what they read.

 

[john john]

Breakups do happen.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20110614/BUSINESS/106140334/Republic-to-shed-majority-interest-in-Frontier-pilots-consider-stake?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|BUSINESS

Emotions within their ranks are mixed because of a controversial rewriting of the seniority list among pilots that affects their pay and scheduling.


DOH or slotting ?

 

[snapthis]

John John is right on. Then west will go away soon....

Feeling is mutual. Let's file for divorce.

 

[cactusboy53]

John John is right on. Then west will go away soon....

luvthe9.....LYING on Airlineforums since 30 August 2002. Luv, who did you say was going to jail again??? NO CRIME = NO TIME (except for 3 months off with pay and all the famiily time a guy / gal could want).

USAPA LEGAL UPDATE: We suck, but are steadily spending all of your hard earned dues money for deception & obfuscation. Isn't that great??

 

[cactusboy53]

Ames,

When the old man put 5 week new hires ahead of 17 year never furloughed guys you had to know it was going to be a disaster! The average age in the east is 59 years old. Most of us have experienced the ups and downs of this industry. Most pilots in this industry would love to merge with the oldest pilot group in this country. Attrition in the east has arrived. There is nothing to stop it. The east is hiring 22 pilots a month. We are so short staffed in the east.......this summer is becoming a challenge. Some day the west pilots will look back and see that you guys made some tactical errors. Every east new hire will always vote with the east pilots for separate ops. They will see the attrition and the massive move up the list on a monthly basis. They will upgrade to Captain with separate operations very quickly. When Kasher comes in it is game over. Personally, I hope Lakefield works another deal that splits this abortion of a merger up. This place will never be right! Nicolau did not do any of us any favors.

Hate

Second verse, same as the first: ITS NOT FAIR.

We will look back on this as an event in the AWA pilot's careers where we proudly stood up against a snaggled toothed school yard bully that tried to cheat us. The courts will finish this. Then you can tell me how unfair life is on our trip to Madrid. I'll try to console you and buy you a cafe' & cookie. I'll get to hear you cry all the way back to PHL or CLT. Eventually you will retire, and I will get someone more pleasant & upbeat. Then it will be a great time.

When Kasher comes in....you're right GAME OVER (did you see the crew news where Doug said that we slept soundly EVERY NIGHT, knowing just which way that decision would go?).

You state that Nicolau didn't do you any favors, but I assure you that America West Holdings did. You should be humbled and thankful that you still have a pay check every two weeks.

Don't be Hatin'....just be glad.

 

[icehead]

The truth of the matter is, had we not "merged" US Airways would have liquidated and AWA would have grown into the markets abandoned by your "once great airline". While you would have stood in your rightful place on the unemployment line ALL of the upgrades from our growing company would have gone to AWA pilots.

The difference between our two groups is that, despite what I said above, we did "merge" and the AWA pilots are willing to share all subsequent growth while east pilots want to hoard it all for themselves. You have gotten all of the new 757's, 330's and 190's. What have we gotten?

You are hiring now. We have guys on furlough. WTFO?

Because of "Would have Liquidated" but did not liquidate, you apparently think you are owed leap frog status. Because we "would have been unemployed" but are not, you believe we should in effect pay you, for what? What is it that you gave so we could continue. So the "would have and should have" never occurred by virtue of a real event as opposed to an imaginary event. Let me get this straight. You believe your group deserves special status by virtue of a hypothetical, okay but what did you give us for this special status. Your group like ours had no say in the Corporate transaction. Go to the bank and tell them that in 2015 you will be making more than now and see if the loan amount is based on your current W-2 our your hypothetical 2015 W-2. USAirways did not liquidate and we are still employed...