PlayTheOdds
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Me? Over the line? Please do explain Bill. Also do tell why DELETED BY MODERATOR wouldn't make a superb president for the 514. I think Ken should nominate him then he will learn all about accountability
Who will be next 514 President?
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Maybe that's Bill, or his best friend bubba. A good twu man and a scab by nature. He learned from the best, Bill and HSS. He was just one of many scabs that came out of local 514. Gotta give the KC guys credit, they even had a scab fair on the property and only produced two scabs despite being in the middle of a layoff.
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Whoever gets elected as new president will not matter. If you look at the history of 514 many loyal presidents are rewarded with a international scam. So if a individual starts out with noble intentions he will soon be corrupted by perks and ideas of greener pastures. Same system as our government in some aspects.
I would go as far as predicting that if someone was elected who refused to do the internationals bidding would soon be removed from the position.
I would go as far as predicting that if someone was elected who refused to do the internationals bidding would soon be removed from the position.
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I will voluteer to be removed.
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I do know about accountability. And I do know that you do not hold yourself accountable for anything.
So should the union...
PlayTheOdds
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Just curious as how one becomes president of a local? Is any member eligible? If so why aren't any of the guys such a AMFAMAN, Hackman or Local12 running for this presidents slot? Is this an appointed or elected position?
One must be a member in good standing and then be nominated in the May meeting of the election year.
IMHO the only Local President's position worth a darn is the Local President of the 514 which carries the weight of the majority of the membership. With the weighted majority the Local 514 has the power to bring back crappy contracts (like in 2003)regardless of the opinion of the other Local Presidents and negotiator positions. Because this is such a vital position the International normally finds one way or another to force this guy into their camp. Our International is company oriented and pressures the local president to bring back crap in order to assure the continous flow of dues.
Our current elected president was first elected because he was peceived as a fighter and someone who was going to shake things up. Now people have a hard time telling whether or not the guy is management. When most heard he was bolting (for the second time) from his position in April most asked whether he was going over to management before reading the letter explaining he was going to the International. Management=International they are both very much the same thing.
There was a union out there that admittedly had more guts than brains. They actually had the guts to stand up to the company and attempt to fight for the membership, a very unprofitable position to have these days. People like you helped to defeat their worthy cause. I hope your proud of the role you played scab. What goes around comes around.
Local elections are every 3 years, and as long as those who call the shots are appointed, that being the Intl., it would be a waste of time that could be spent booting them off the property instead.
Now the union you scabbed on is set up so every position is elected and the members have control, but you didn't care because greed took over.
I dont think so.
Local 514 is a little too big for that.
According to Sonny Hall, the Presidents of the other Locals voted to have Chuck Schalk and myself removed, also a few members of our own E-Board were happy for the opportunity to move up, they helped block member intitated support to fight our removal. One of them is now a member of NWA management another managed to sqeak into the VP position due to low voter turnout and a split opposition.
If Local 514 got a good leader I would motion to dissolve our Local and join 514 and encourage every other M&R group to do the same.
Heres why.
Local 514, with their "roll call vote" really are the only ones that have any say in the contract. If the line locals dissolve and join 514 they may be a minority within Local 514 but they would have a greater say in the contract because Tulsa has very low voter turnouts. Any leader of 514 could not afford to ignore the line stations because of their high turnout. In order to get elected the President would have to have Line maint support.
If we got all of M&R into Local 514 then we could own our contract. We could tell the international that WE will choose who heads our negotiations and appeal to the IEB for ownership of the contract. We would compare ourselves to SWA, the MTA and all the other Locals who own their own contracts. What could be the justoification for the continued denial of self representation if we were all in the same Local?
Good Idea, but remember that the IEB is appointed by the International--that is the preoblem with the resolution to the problem: the people that could help us would have to be willing to lose their positions to do so.
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What really hacks me is how the whole situation seems to be line against overhaul.
Does nothing but make some take comfort in the Local 514 majority. Else overhual might be gone and many out of jobs.
Someone best find another solution rather than bringing up this us against them crap all the time.
Does nothing but make some take comfort in the Local 514 majority. Else overhual might be gone and many out of jobs.
Someone best find another solution rather than bringing up this us against them crap all the time.
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Since you did not quote anything i wrote i do not know if your comment is aimed my way. I am just stating what the situation is. I have never said get rid of overhaul or us verses them. The plain truth is the way the situation is local 514 controls most things would you say that is a correct statement or incorrect? Simply because they are the biggest local.
Another fact is we need each other some think if overhaul is dumped their wages will go up but i disagree on that.
Some line mechanics have the balls to think they are better mechanics than overhaul or more skilled so to say, but that is pure pipe dream and ego out of control.
I think the union needs to do a better job defining and explaining to their membership all the different issues systemwide rather than just look at their own situation and nothing else. I cannot blame a local president to look after their membership is that not what they are elected to do? People get frustrated at the current situation and vent stuff just to try to get a response.
