Yes or no for the IBEW?

[Dog Wonder]

Jimmy,
What is impossible for me to live with is to sit and be content with the injustice that is taking place in the name of union[ism]. Keeping the 'status quo' isn't an option for me. I'm not built that way. Pressing forward in the name of justice and taking a small voluntary part in removing the obstacles in front of the masses is worthy. Fear has no place in trying to fight against alliances of corporate greed and Board of Directors from other airlines.

regards,

Tim,

The status quo has never been an option for you. There is a union you don't like on the property. You want a vote.

Whether you admit it or not, this isn't IAM vs. IBEW, it is union vs. no union.

This is a company where both the disillusioned (more than you or Jimmy Neutron can count) and the anti-union won't vote at all. Both count as 'no' votes. It is an inherently unfair process.

How many years, and jobs, did it take to get a Fleet Service union back on property.

Stop beating the corporate drum. Despite your nature, you were always smarter than that.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Despite your nature, you were always smarter than that.

What a compliment!

 

[JoeDirt]

Now I thinking I'm going out on a limb all by myself. This is how I see our near future. This is something some people don't want to hear much less come true. After all it is just my opinion. Based only my own thoughts. My own ideas. My own intuitions. So be kind to your brother.

We will not see a call for an election. We will not see a ruling from the COC case. Neither the company nor the union want the ruling to be made. Both cannot win in that situtation and both feel they must win. Both say they have good cases and both say they will win. They may even both believe they may win. Only one's belief is going to turn out to be true. That being said they both have a little fear they may lose. That fear will be enough to make them realize that in their own best interest, not ours, that the best thing would be come up with an acceptable T/A. The company is basically in a no win situtation. If the company wins the Arbritator's decision things could get really bad on the ramp. That would also cause the IAM to lose. If they lose it will act a like a starters pistol starting a race about how quick they can kick the IAM out. And at that point they would be ran out for sure. If the company loses and the IAM wins we will not see anything because DP will ty it up somehow. I don't know how but I'm sure he could ty it up till the contract comes up. That is another mess he does not want. Already said he would. Then things are status quo. We get nothing and the west gets nothing. Again the IAM will be gone.

So the company and the IAM must come to an agreement. The IAM knows at this point the only way to ensure their survival is to get a agreement that for sure will appeases both east and west. There will be no contract extension so therefore there will be no vote. (Correct me if I am wrong on that.)
Seeing how they know we are serious about ousting them they will have to bring something a lot better than the T/A. especially if they are not going to allow us to vote. The employees are appeased. The IAM stays. Parker didnt have to go through the COC and all the mess that could have came from it. This is the only win-win sernaro that can come out that I can see. Most people in their right mind will try for a win-win if there is one.

Like I said that is only my opinion.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Good thinking Joe----You probably hit the nail on the head----

beware---Tim will not agree though!

 

[freedom]

I also agree with Joe’s assessment .

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Well I'm sure when Tim sees it he will have many reasons why it will never happen that way....

Remember, Tim was the one pushing for the big NO-VOTE.....then everyone votes no and now it's time to get rid of (try to change) the union....

You do have to wonder just who's side Tim's on....

 

[bob dylan]

I agree with Tim, so wheres' the cross you guys' wanna nail me too. G*d forbid someone has
a different point of view. Read what these people post. Who is for a positive change and who wants
to remain status qou.
'' It may be the devil or it may be the lord, but your gonna have to serve somebody''
Last night there was an interesting post...who's listening..who's here..the people you pay
or the people who want to be paid. I choose the latter'

bob

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

I agree with Tim, so wheres' the cross you guys' wanna nail me too. G*d forbid someone has
a different point of view. Read what these people post. Who is for a positive change and who wants
to remain status qou.
'' It may be the devil or it may be the lord, but your gonna have to serve somebody''
Last night there was an interesting post...who's listening..who's here..the people you pay
or the people who want to be paid. I choose the latter'

bob

The only problem with your theory is that people from a new union can promise you the world---Hell look at George Bush-----But actually being able to do it is a whole other animal!

That's a lot of trust to put out there on a couple of raw-raw speeches.............

 

[700UW]

You also have to remember the M&R are part of the COC and DL 142 will NOT give up on the COC Grievance, you see it is payback for what happened when the CBA was abrogated.

DL 141 would have more egg on their face if they gave up on it and Maintenance won.

Tim is on his own side, he has been dying for a union job since he started his first union, filed short on cards, caused a one year bad when the company imposed concessions on the non-union employees.

He tried for a job with the IBT during the IAM/IBT/USWA election and was turned down.

Became a Grievance Committeeman with the IAM at ORD and started FSU and annoited himself into the leadership during bankruptcy one, he was removed from office and then started the AGW once again annoiting himself and Pruitt as the leadership and he failed again.

Tried to raid the ramp at AA and tried to get a job with the TWU and made himself available to help them and when the DFW TWU President found out he informed the TWU local in PHX about Tim's actions and was removed from helping them.

Tim's actions over the years shows one thing, he is in it for himself.

What true trade unionist would file short on cards and cause a one year bar on organizing himself and fellow employees which resulted in massive concessions and layoffs?

 

[pjirish317]

700,
Correct me if i am wrong. If the IBEW is voted to represent Fleet, then they enforce the existing contract right? So that would mean that the IBEW takes over the COC. 141 already gave up on the COC when it was part of the TA. Since you have no "dog in this fight", why the resentment towards Tim and others who are looking for a, IMO, positive change? My father was a member f the IBEW for 39 years. Nothing but good things to say about that union. I have been a member of the I AM MANAGEMENT union for, what, about 8 years now, nothing but bad things to say about those money hungry, self-serving, company loving scumbags. It is our collective stone to cast, and with the numbers and the hatred towards the I AM MANAGEMENT union, IMO that stone will be cast. For a union to throw away and give back to a profitable company, for "positive space travel" is appaling. I know for a fact that the IBEW would look out for the needs of the many and not line their own pockets, or see what was in it "for themselves". Change is coming. For the better.

 

[700UW]

The COC is still in effect, the IBEW would assume the CBA.

And just telling the facts about tim, people need to know his real motive.

Last time I checked anyone can comment on a thread.

And your group barely unionized last time, and every union in the airlines have taken concessions, it is an industry issue, not a particular union.

 

[pjirish317]

700,
Well I am in this for me and mine. What Tim says, what you say, or anyboby else for that matter. I had my mind made up when the "true details" came out about this POS TA the I AM MANAGEMENT union tried, and failed to sell its members. I am not saying do not comment on here, but it seems that you are "pro I AM MANAGEMENT" I would rather cast my stone and deal with whatever happens than spend any more time under our so called unions thumb with the company telling them "how it is going to be" Regardless of anybodys "motives" Your actions and comments on here would suggest thatyou would lose alot if the I AM MANAGEMENT was voted out.

 

[700UW]

I have nothing to lose if the IAM is voted out.

And I hope you are prepared to go back to working under the PPG.

 

[pjirish317]

700,
Like I said before, it is our collective stone to cast. I think that we are all prepared for anything that may mean.

 

[Labor Dawg]

"I hope you are prepared to go back to working under the PPG."

Lets think about that one! I was making more money, had full pay sick time, had more vacation, and had a 401 k all under the ppg. That is not to say that I do not want a union, Because believe me the reason the ppg was that way was because they didn't want a union on the property! It seems that all the I AM MANAGEMENT can say. We are better than nothing. If this is your selling point. You have a weak game. WHEN we voted the ta down, the leadership should have instead of trying to force it down our throats started looking for a better answer. They have steadfastly continued to say how great it was. This is why they have no credibility. The facts are that it was voted down because it was a continuation of the givebacks. When are we suppose to get back? We are the ones that helped this company survive only to be slapped in the face with a joke of an agreement!
A CHANGE FOR THE BETTER!The most important thing is to get the IBEW cards signed and move forward and not backwards like we have for 13 or more years! I for one would like to see a change. This is very important because we will finally have a voice. People have also taken notice of things that are going on with stores and some other things that are leading up to a possible merger. It just sounds funny that this is happening and who sits on the board of United? We want to have more say in our futures! It's very hard to look at a man and remember that just a few years ago he was right beside of you slinging bags and now all of a sudden he has forgotten where he came from. That is the reality of our situation. I have seen this too often. They deal your lives away on the back nine.
Alot of people are asking why would we want a Union that is not in our industry? My feelings are that we have had an airline union for more than 13 yrs and look where that has gotten us. Then this is where some will say but we had this and that to happen. The answer for that is the ta was not brought back during that time. It was brought back during a time that the company is making record profits! The change is in the air. Look at the industry we are trying to refind our selves. The pilots are looking for a change also. This merger was good for the industry but not for labor! CEOs are still getting fat off our backs and the union leadership isn't being held accountable. The only way to deal with the entrenched leadership is to seek representation from another.