Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion
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Separate contracts after 7 years.
Those cases don't support YOUR arguments, that's for sure.
And he would not get you hired at Piedmont like your Daddy did. Run along little Danny.
I can also offer a suggestion. Go piss yourself you freakn scab. LMAO.
traderjake
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Agreed nic, as am I only the same. This mess may eventually play out in various courts, or not. There's no gain for us to tear at each other here other than to forward our standard-issue, mutual nyaah-nyaahs. I suppose my proclivity for such stems from what I perceive to be an entirely ridiculous level of "certainty", not to mention "righteousness" on the part of the west....well...the "Integrity Matters" T's, "spartan", "knights", etc fantasies and infantile-to-the-level of even "Harry Potter" videos didn't much up my overall estimation of your group either. No matter. Fairly noting that it's free-range-grazing and "weapons free" ROE for the ubiquitous nyaah-nyaahs...well...we'll all just have to wait and see what good old Father Time has to say about it all in the end. It's a truly sad business that any of this insane mess ever saw the light of day at all. A handfull of actually reasonable and rational people in the right places and times would/could/should have prevented the whole thing from ever happening.
Meanwhile: Have a good day All.
cactusboy53
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No support what so ever. All you have to do is get Parker to accept DOH / DOH-lite & ratify the contract by a majority. It's that simple. You don't need the West for any of it.
Time's a wastin' East. The sooner that you get this new JCBA done, the quicker we will be to the end of this disaster.
You can not (speaking of painted in a corner) accept anything other than DOH / DOH-lite according to the USAPA Constitution & Bylaws & UOM. We will NOT accept anything other than an unchanged, unfenced, unmolested Nicolau Seniority list.
The Nicolau Seniority list is the ONLY legal, final and binding seniority list. NO court has EVER overturned a final & binding arbitrated list. The 9th & Silver have told you that you are free to negotiate anything you like, with the understanding that you must do so with a legitimate union purpose. DOH, DOH-lite (or any other concoction that USAPA comes up with will fail that test.
The Nicolau is the middle ground. It is the compromise. It is the final product of a legally agreed upon process. Will your bank allow you to live in your house and not pay house payments if you change your name to Mike Cleary? How is this any different?
BTW, the West has done nothing wrong. We came to the table, we agreed with your selection of arbitrators, we tried to mediate an agreement, and we followed the arbitrators rules. The arbitrator delivered a list that was determined by the authorities to be within the confines of the merger policy & Parker's terms of cost constraints.
You seek to recover some of your failed career off the backs & seniority of the AWA pilot group (because you CAN'T get the money you've lost from anyone else).
Hurry up East. We're just waiting on you guys.
I'd covered such enlightened "thoughts" and "Harry Potter" levels of pure fantasy previously: "A handfull of actually reasonable and rational people in the right places and times would/could/should have prevented the whole thing from ever happening." You ain't one such.
cactusboy53: "Hurry up East. We're just waiting on you guys" Patience is a Virtue. You've my blessings to wait in PHX however long you wish to. Meanwhile...it's a fine day today. The nic's nowhere to be found...outside of Fantasyland, that is, and a gent I recently flew with is finally getting his left seat and a line back, which made for enjoyable conversation indeed.
And whose fault is that?
My argument is that usapa and the company are both seeking to prolong separate ops.
The company to avoid higher pilot cost, and usapa to avoid the inevitable implementation of the Nic.
Hey, just reread the TA and both the company and usapa are in violation. It seems it has been 7 years and still no operational pilot integration. You do realize it is against the law to strip workers of their right to organize?
And, my references do support my arguments. Got a good faith LUP for reneging on binding arbitration? Doubt it, as the term good faith would imply one would actually live up to a contractual agreement. Got evidence why stapling the West is neither arbitrary or discriminatory?
You are LYAO? Now that there is funny.
Hope you keep that attitude in the future junior.
"They held info picketing to be laughed at by the media."
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/Oct-08-Tue-2002/business
/19793554.html
"They sued in the NYC court, to be laughed at by the federal court."
http://azstarnet.com/business/local/5680b9c5-a0c2-5761-b246-66ea307a2f6d.html
"They started an illegal job action"
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/america-west-airlines-addresses-wall-street-journal-article-70835837.html
"Now they plead to the NMB"
http://www2.alpa.org/alpa/DesktopModules/ViewAnnDocument.aspx?DocumentID=4010
I'd covered such enlightened "thoughts" previously: "A handfull of actually reasonable and rational people in the right places and times would/could/should have prevented the whole thing from ever happening." You ain't one such.
I disagree....there were rational people on the east...they warned you that voting in usapa would get you nowhere...they were right.
There were also rational people on the east NC...they said hey we can get protections for the wide bodies and a favorable integration.....look how that turned out..you got a favorable integration, just lopsided at the top, but your expectation of entitlement and getting it all clouded your judgement.
All way to a day late and a dollar short now. It is the Nic, to it's terms, end of story.
Sigh!...You forgot: "Final and Binding!"..."It's OVER!..Get used to it!", "Ho Ho Ho!, Saint Nic is coming to town!"..."You won't even get 200 cards!", "NO fences!" and of course "Booyooshaka!" Have a nice day today nic. I will.
DOH (really longevity but you didn't want any part of that either) IS the standard from which ALL seniroity lists are measured: there has never been a case where a DOH/longevity list has been found to be arbitrary, discriminatory or in bad faith....period. That IS a LUP.
How can I renege on something that hasn't come to a vote yet?
Here we go again.
Enjoy your holidays in PHX west pilots.
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