Does Delta still have NWA scabs working?

[robbedagain]

i think after the merger of aa and us we will see how much of the financial results but at the same time i wonder how much of improvements there will be if you were to compare to say 90s and 2000s

 

[WorldTraveler]

There is no doubt the environment will be better in the late 2010s than it was in the 1990s and 2000s. US airlines have learned from their restructuring in BK and there is a lot less capacity in the system and the carriers that remain are being far more disciplined about adding more.

But it is also very hard to get a new airline started now, in part because high fuel prices make it very hard for new carriers to grow by stimulating demand.

You need only look at Virgin America to realize how hard it is to get a new carrier on solid finances.
Investors are just not going to finance new startup airlines given the track record of how difficult it is for the existing young airlines to be profitable.

The tide really is shifting back in favor of the established carriers.. something that hasn't existed for decades.

But it also doesn't change that AA and US have a very long ways to go before they are merged and receiving the benefits of the merger.

The environment may be better now for them to make that happen than it has been for a long time but the same improving environment will make it easier for other existing carriers to continue to improve just as fast if not faster.

 

[lineguy43]

So in one breath you proclaim the superior craftsmanship of a group of mechanics, while they were employeed by NW, then in the next breath, denounce their craftmanship, simply because they work for a different company ?

Whatever fits your agenda , I guess !

There were a small percentage of "original" NW guys that crossed and a majority of those that did their "skills" were questionable at best and dangerous at worst. The others were recruited and can be considered transient some living out of their cars in the parking lot. Of these very few if not any were experienced in the aircraft NW flew and certainly not NW procedures of course NW spent at least 2 yrs getting them ready and even then there were problems right out of the gate but were ignored by our glorious FAA and the one inspector out of MSP that did file reports NW complained and his superiors at the FAA benched him. As for the quality of our maintenance pre strike well you remember a certain DL MD-88 that has an engine explode and put a fan disk in the side of a female passenger and her kid? Well after that episode members of DL tech ops management came to the NWA ATL JT-8 engine shop to see what we did different from them. They found a few procedures they should have been doing and actually adopted procedures that we had in our shop. So yes in short you got a few good mechanics from NW that scabbed but you got a lot of losers too actually NW fired the worst of the bunch before the merger anyway.

 

[WorldTraveler]

.... NW fired the worst of the bunch before the merger anyway.

glad you have said this because it validates that the problem was NW mgmts. handling of the replacement process and had nothing to do with DL.

what percentage of the replacement mechanics were let go prior to the merger, in your opinion.

 

[robbedagain]

what ever happen to that dl md88 that had the engine explode and what caused it to explode?

 

[700UW]

http://www.airsafe.com/events/reports/delta-pensacola-1996-final.pdf

 

[robbedagain]

THANKS 700

 

[xUT]

Im just curious if there are any scabs left, and how they are being recieved by the other AMT's. I for one wouldnt and will not forget, even though I am not from NWA...

Short story is yes, there are NWA scabs working at Delta.
Not much difference in when UA hired EAL scabs.
By the law, you can not differentiate as they are employees.
We were 'taught' that we should never call them scabs on company time or we would be subject to company discipline.
Probably the same with Delta.
Doesn't mean you have to eat with them or talk with them.
JMHO,
B) xUT

 

[WorldTraveler]

Short story is yes, there are NWA scabs working at Delta.
Not much difference in when UA hired EAL scabs.
By the law, you can not differentiate as they are employees.
We were 'taught' that we should never call them scabs on company time or we would be subject to company discipline.
Probably the same with Delta.
Doesn't mean you have to eat with them or talk with them.
JMHO,
B) xUT

which means it is an internet phenomena by a group of people who couldn't succeed at what they wanted in the union shop so they are turning to the internet to try to settle the score against people who don't even participate in their internet discussions.

It is no wonder the union movement continues to fail in the United States; instead of clear direction to redirect the movement, we get vindictive efforts like this.

You just have helped to prove they won after all.

 

[blue collar]

which means it is an internet phenomena by a group of people who couldn't succeed at what they wanted in the union shop so they are turning to the internet to try to settle the score against people who don't even participate in their internet discussions.

It is no wonder the union movement continues to fail in the United States; instead of clear direction to redirect the movement, we get vindictive efforts like this.

You just have helped to prove they won after all.

It's not a phenomena. It is truth. There are scabs working at DL, but there are also scabs working at all airlines. We all know who they are and like UT said, no need to interact with them.

 

[WorldTraveler]

so if there are replacement workers at all airlines, what is the point of the campaign or the point of the original question in the original post - which remains unaddressed?

So you ostracize a few people - that happened in 1st grade, maybe kindergarten. Most of us have figured out how to live despite the actions of others.

Other than hypocritically violating someone else's privacy and thus inviting the same for oneself, what IS the point?

 

[blue collar]

so if there are replacement workers at all airlines, what is the point of the campaign or the point of the original question in the original post - which remains unaddressed?

So you ostracize a few people - that happened in 1st grade, maybe kindergarten. Most of us have figured out how to live despite the actions of others.

Other than hypocritically violating someone else's privacy and thus inviting the same for oneself, what IS the point?

The original question is just someone's curiosity. Seems to me like its been answered.
As far as people not getting along, it happens at all age levels and careers, not just kindergarten and 1st grade.
And for privacy, I didn't realize there was an expectation of privacy. They put on a uniform and have their ID displayed, which goes against any expectation of privacy.

 

[700UW]

A scab is a traitor to the union movement, and their coworkers, bottom line. You wont ever understand that concept wt.

After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. ​

Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.

No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. ​

Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.

Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver.

Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commision in the british army.​

The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country.
A scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class.

Author --- Jack London (1876-1916)

 

[WorldTraveler]

They where their uniform on company property and don't display it on the internet.

This website for one is batsh89 crazy about protecting people's privacy, in part precisely because so many people here act and speak in ways that are completely contrary to what their employers would allow.

Thus, it is very much a fair question to ask about the hypocrisy that some here practice by publishing or promoting websites or lists that include the names of those who don't espouse the same ideals about the labor movement as it is to wonder if those same people who be quite as willing to have their own personal information displayed on ANY location on the website.

You don't need to answer because I know full well the double talk that will be used to justify outing a "traitor" while protecting the privacy of those who out them.

You do need to know that many people and companies do not share your values about the labor movement or the justification you use to out them.

Replacement workers exist because labor relations have failed - and failure involves two sides. Attempting to "punish" those who have decided to move on from the failures w/o adequately solving the problems of why the failures occurred in the first place is a rather cowardly approach to problem solving.

The fact that there are non-union employees who fare far better economically than their unionized peers says the labor movement, not the replacement workers, have failed to deliver what it promised.

 

[700UW]

It is quite apparent you dont understand the concept of a labor union.

You must follow Benedict Arnold, and others who are traitors.