2015 Fleet Service thread

[ograc]

And just how would the aa side be harmed by change?

 
Not saying they would be. It seems like an attempt to suppress change. just in time for next year's election of district officers.
 

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

This seems to ensure virtually no one will be able cobble together the required ten locals.Other than of course union officials traveling on positive space passes...
 
 
Despicable.More empire protection by those in six figure positions.

 

[cltrat]

^^^^^^ exactly it's disgusting and they wonder why people dislike/don't trust them

 

[ograc]

This seems to ensure virtually no one will be able cobble together the required ten locals.Other than of course union officials traveling on positive space passes...
 
 
Despicable.More empire protection by those in six figure positions.

 
10 local endorsements for an opposition slate is a steep order. It represents endorsement from 25% of the existing locals, in order for an opposition slate to even be placed on a ballot, for the membership to vote on. Seems like trying to stack the deck to me. The IAM touts itself as a democratic union yet proposed bylaw changes such as this one seem to contradict that claim. The high apathy level among members almost insures this proposal will pass. Never mind all of that stuff... how much more can I expect per hour with the future JCBA? The membership needs to step up their engagement and education or be willing to live with the long term consequences of such apathy. IMO... the Referendum Vote will be an early indicator of the education and engagement level of the membership. Change and improvements must start first with an educated and engaged membership. I could be wrong but I wouldn't expect much folks! 
 

 

[ograc]

On another note; Let's talk expected hourly wage improvements in the future JCBA. I think it should be duly noted that there needs to be significant improvement in the hourly wage concerning our newly or recently hired employees (members). Hourly wage improvements should apply to all. There is much needed room for improvement in hourly wage to those new to the craft and class. 5 years to exceed $15.00 per hour? Really?  Some states are considering 15.00 per hour as a minimum wage. Are we working for McDonalds or AA?

 

[WeAAsles]

On another note; Let's talk expected hourly wage improvements in the future JCBA. I think it should be duly noted that there needs to be significant improvement in the hourly wage concerning our newly or recently hired employees (members). Hourly wage improvements should apply to all. There is much needed room for improvement in hourly wage to those new to the craft and class. 5 years to exceed $15.00 per hour? Really?  Some states are considering 15.00 per hour as a minimum wage. Are we working for McDonalds or AA?

If they enact Airport minimum laws then the problem basically takes care of itself. SeaTac has an Airport minimum of $15.00 per hour I believe? NYC has $10.10 (That needs to go up) and here in MIA it's $11.00 for working the ramp. Our members here were started on step 3 of the scale. Your biggest problem is in the Southern (Republican controlled) States. I got my friend a job in DFW and he's at the bottom of the scale at $9.00 per hour.

What I would want to watch for is if the $15.00 winds up sticking Nationwaide that the company doesn't implement a catchup freeze to those starting wages? It's going to be interesting to see where the future scale falls? You guys currently take 12 years to top out and we have 9 in our contract.

BTW ograc the reason I mostly discuss wages over SCOPE is because currently that's something we can see in front of us. Except for the length of the progressions we pretty much have a handle on where we're headed. SCOPE and Station Staffing is an unknown. But I do completely trust our negotiators to handle it and also know they are fully educated on all the traps and pitfalls to language. That's why I don't feel the need to discuss or advocate for something really until we have a TA sitting on our desks. IMO.

 

[ograc]

If they enact Airport minimum laws then the problem basically takes care of itself. SeaTac has an Airport minimum of $15.00 per hour I believe? NYC has $10.10 (That needs to go up) and here in MIA it's $11.00 for working the ramp. Our members here were started on step 3 of the scale. Your biggest problem is in the Southern (Republican controlled) States. I got my friend a job in DFW and he's at the bottom of the scale at $9.00 per hour.

What I would want to watch for is if the $15.00 winds up sticking Nationwaide that the company doesn't implement a catchup freeze to those starting wages? It's going to be interesting to see where the future scale falls? You guys currently take 12 years to top out and we have 9 in our contract.

BTW ograc the reason I mostly discuss wages over SCOPE is because currently that's something we can see in front of us. Except for the length of the progressions we pretty much have a handle on where we're headed. SCOPE and Station Staffing is an unknown. But I do completely trust our negotiators to handle it and also know they are fully educated on all the traps and pitfalls to language. That's why I don't feel the need to discuss or advocate for something really until we have a TA sitting on our desks. IMO.

 
Agreed. We shall wait and see what is proposed and agreed to. Additionally, we shall witness a membership vote on any TA.. No sense tipping our hand. The message on social media should be we are engaged, we have expectations that we are willing to stand united on.
 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Not to change gears but ... I would like to open the floor to discussion concerning a proposed DL 141 bylaw change in the upcoming bylaw referendum vote. Article VIII - District Officers Qualifications And Election. The proposed change, to the current language of candidates needing the endorsement of 4 local lodges to appear on the ballot, to the proposed level of 10 local lodge endorsements to appear on the ballot. The floor is open to discussion and opinion on this proposed DL 141 bylaw change. Remember... This bylaw referendum vote takes place in early December.

I think the bylaw vote is perhaps the very future of our District. Regardless of who votes for who, if members aren't up to voting to protect their right to have elections, then any reform candidate would have to consider that. One of the outcomes is that there may never be elections again in this District. I believe at DL142 that you only need to meet half of your local meetings to be a candidate.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

On another note; Let's talk expected hourly wage improvements in the future JCBA. I think it should be duly noted that there needs to be significant improvement in the hourly wage concerning our newly or recently hired employees (members). Hourly wage improvements should apply to all. There is much needed room for improvement in hourly wage to those new to the craft and class. 5 years to exceed $15.00 per hour? Really?  Some states are considering 15.00 per hour as a minimum wage. Are we working for McDonalds or AA?

That is very true. While I enjoyed all the increased benefits of the current TA which provided me with one more week of vacation and a decent raise, not all members partook in that. There is a natural unfairness to that. Never mind twice the health care cost and half the pension benefit for part timers. Seems someone is always subsidizing someone. I think a better mixture can be found but it's always difficult.

regards,

 

[ograc]

That is very true. While I enjoyed all the increased benefits of the current TA which provided me with one more week of vacation and a decent raise, not all members partook in that. There is a natural unfairness to that. Never mind twice the health care cost and half the pension benefit for part timers. Seems someone is always subsidizing someone. I think a better mixture can be found but it's always difficult.

regards,

 
True leadership is about advancing the betterment of the entire membership. Would you agree?
 

 

[ograc]

I think the bylaw vote is perhaps the very future of our District. Regardless of who votes for who, if members aren't up to voting to protect their right to have elections, then any reform candidate would have to consider that. One of the outcomes is that there may never be elections again in this District. I believe at DL142 that you only need to meet half of your local meetings to be a candidate.

regards,

 
I wonder how many local nomination endorsements, under DL 142, opposition candidates are required to secure, in order to be placed on the official ballot.
 

 

[Kev3188]

 
True leadership is about advancing the betterment of the entire membership. Would you agree?
 

You weren't asking me, but the answer is a resounding "yes!"

 

[Tim Nelson]

True leadership is about advancing the betterment of the entire membership. Would you agree?

Yes

 

[Tim Nelson]

I wonder how many local nomination endorsements, under DL 142, opposition candidates are required to secure, in order to be placed on the official ballot.

I don't believe they need any Local endorsements. I could be wrong.

regards,

 

[700UW]

You need local endorsement to be nominated at 142.