2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

CP1 answer please

 

[CactusPilot1]

Please explain to us how anything the west does is relevant

You got my answer, Luv.

Here's my questions:
Are you going to tell Judge Conrad he is irrelevant along with the next set of arbitrators. Are you going to scream they were biased if they rule your arguments are irrelevant? When you lost DFR 1 in Wake's courtroom, he was a biased desert judge and Nicolau, an arbitrator the East chose went from highly experienced to senile.

 

[Claxon]

You got my answer, Luv.
Here's my questions:
Are you going to tell Judge Conrad he is irrelevant along with the next set of arbitrators. Are you going to scream they were biased if they rule your arguments are irrelevant? When you lost DFR 1 in Wake's courtroom, he was a biased desert judge and Nicolau, an arbitrator the East chose went from highly experienced to senile.

That is very funny! You bringing up Wake. Too bad Bobby Baldocks daddy couldn't swing that one for you.

 

[Claxon]

You got my answer, Luv.
Here's my questions:
Are you going to tell Judge Conrad he is irrelevant along with the next set of arbitrators. Are you going to scream they were biased if they rule your arguments are irrelevant? When you lost DFR 1 in Wake's courtroom, he was a biased desert judge and Nicolau, an arbitrator the East chose went from highly experienced to senile.

No, you evaded. The APA is going to crush you when you bring your Nic plan out. Because you cretins are going to try and crush their furloughed guys too. That is when they hammer you down hard for good.
You are too stupid to figure out that the Nic attempted on the east is more of a threat to thousands of AA pilots, and they clearly outnumber you. You, a group with one base and no widebodies. That is when the east and APA work a deal.

 

[traderjake]

Please expain to us how anything the west does is relevant
 
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Please show me where I said it was.

 

[CactusPilot1]

No, you evaded. The APA is going to crush you when you bring your Nic plan out. Because you cretins are going to try and crush their furloughed guys too. That is when they hammer you down hard for good.
You are too stupid to figure out that the Nic attempted on the east is more of a threat to thousands of AA pilots, and they clearly outnumber you. You, a group with one base and no widebodies. That is when the east and APA work a deal.

You are seriously out to lunch and have to clue about arbitration . There aren't any deals. It's a process. Other APA made it clear of their position and they thwarted your deal making attempts prior to the West getting a seat. You certainly won't be making any "deals" which infringe on the APA's DFR responsibilities to the West pilots. It's going to be a fair process, much like the previous one which was heard by George Nicolau. Too bad you just can't accept that or any responsibility for your actions.

I'll use the APA's words, not yours in determining truth over Claxfud:

APA wants a smooth and amicable integration with the pilots of US Airways.
APA is committed to the process that we all agreed to and ratified in the MOU.
APA will take its duty of fair representation to all American Airlines pilots seriously.
FO Roghair communicated that the protocol agreement for seniority integration should be complete and that the only major barriers have been superfluous and unacceptable USAPA demands, including:
Obligating APA to pay post-single carrier USAPA bills, including costs of its current headquarters
Maintaining USAPA's independent operation authority throughout the JCBA and SLI process
Paying for ongoing litigation expenses in Addington and any subsequent DFR cases
Recognizing USAPA as a party to the protocol agreement even after USAPA ceases to be the certified bargaining representative (contrary to its own position in the Addington litigation, the judge's ruling in that case and the specific language of the MOU)
These are not commitments APA is willing to entertain and are what brought seniority protocol negotiations to a halt.
As FO Roghair stated, APA does not take its duty of fair representation lightly. Contrary to USAPA's assertions otherwise, and at their suggestion, APA has proposed that the West pilots be afforded the opportunity to petition a neutral arbitrator for the right to a separate and independent merger committee in the seniority integration process

 

[CactusPilot1]

Edit: Claxon, you have NO clue about the arbitration process. Stick with selling gym memberships.

 

[Phoenix]

If the pilot bargaining agents in the covered transaction, pursuant to MB, actually decided to agree on the SLI, would MB arbitration be moot?    Imagine the money the lawyers would make!  

 

[Claxon]

Edit: Claxon, you have NO clue about the arbitration process. Stick with selling gym memberships.

November 11, 2008 (Q&A in Phoenix with Doug Parker)

Pilot: . . . . My question though is I was at the hearing for the furloughed guys and one of the possibilities they were discussing is moving 190s to the west and can’t do that. You know why.

Parker: Why

Pilot: Binding arbitration. So the company believes in binding arbitration. We have a binding arbitration for seniority. Does the company believe in binding arbitration or not?

Parker: The binding arbitration you’re talking about I think – I’m pretty sure what you are talking about – that was an ALPA process that resulted in binding arbitration. That wasn’t a company process. That’s ALPA to ALPA seniority integration that says if you can’t get it resolved we go to binding arbitration is ALPA policy not company policy. If the company’s in binding arbitration, yea we believe in binding arbitration.

 

[Claxon]

Edit: Claxon, you have NO clue about the arbitration process. Stick with selling gym memberships.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/05/kirby-we-expect-an-amr-us-airw.html/
Kirby: We expect an AMR-US Airways merger to resolve our pilot seniority dispute


By Terry Maxon
tmaxon@dallasnews.com
11:36 am on May 17, 2012 | Permalink



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US Airways president Scott Kirby said Thursday that the airline believes a merger with AMR and American Airlines will help US Airways resolve the prolonged seniority dispute of pilots at US Airways.

Responding to a question at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch conference, Kirby talked about the dispute between pilots of US Airways and America West Airlines after the 2005 merger about how they would combine their seniority lists.

Here is his answer at the conference.

“Yeah. It’s ironic but the solution to that issue at US Airways I think it’s probably because we’re able to get this deal done. The area that people focus on the most is USAPA, our pilots’ union. In this case there is a huge benefit for our pilots in getting the deal done. They can go to the new contract at American, which is a very large pay raise for the US Airways pilots. So as I fly around the system, as I talk to the union leadership at USAPA, they want the deal to happen and they want us to get it done and they are working cooperatively with us and with APA to get the deal done.

“As to the seniority integration issue, I think this is the way out of the box for them. For those of you that follow the industry, there has been this seniority fight between the former US Airways and the former America West pilots. And as long as that seniority dispute is happening and isn’t resolved by a court, they really can’t negotiate a single agreement with the company because they can’t agree on what’s going to happen with seniority. And they are waiting for a court to answer that question for them.

 

[Claxon]

While I input a few more memberships, let me remind you that the Nicolau Award you constantly think you are going to use was ARBITRATED 8 ( EIGHT) years ago.
Now most intelligent persons would have gotten the fact that the " binding" arbitration needed a JCBA to make it go down. So keep telling me I don't know, while the reality of it, well, sucks to be you................
The Nicolau Award, 8 years and still nowhere to be seen out east.

 

[Claxon]

In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby


Again, who do you believe? An angry west 2004 hire, or Scott Kirby?
I sure LOVE stuffing you!
Now run along with that cute little tie, and pick up those peanuts on the floor.

 

[CactusPilot1]

If the pilot bargaining agents in the covered transaction, pursuant to MB, actually decided to agree on the SLI, would MB arbitration be moot?    Imagine the money the lawyers would make!

You have quite an imagination.

There are no bargaining agents. A bargaining agent. Your point is moot.

When USAPA is finally decertified, it will no longer have any representational status under the RLA. At that point in time, USAPA becomes just a private, unincorporated association bound by the laws of the State of North Carolina. Period.

The clock struck 12. That time has come.

 

[Phoenix]

You have quite an imagination.

There are no bargaining agents. A bargaining agent. Your point is moot.

When USAPA is finally decertified, it will no longer have any representational status under the RLA. At that point in time, USAPA becomes just a private, unincorporated association bound by the laws of the State of North Carolina. Period.

The clock struck 12. That time has come.

 
 
You know full well MB simply acknowledges the right to make an agreement on the SLI.. None can take away the right to make an agreement.  The right established by MB is in truth only a right to arbitration in the event of an impasse.  If an agreement is declared, Marty's grand children will have to go to law school. 
 
The West caused themselves furloughs once already by going to court and preventing the SLI.   The APA might just get a kick out of watching it again.  

 

[traderjake]

Have you ever admitted you were wrong about the West getting a Merger Committee? 
 
There are three seniority lists and three Merger Committees, are you still claiming USAPA LLC represents the West seniority list?