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N924PS said:
They were short of Italian-Americans at the time.
 
Understood, Sigh!...That explains much then. 😉 Seriously though: you likely know I was "just messin' with ya" anyway. Whatever our differences, none of which really count for anything in "the big picture";  I do hope life's treating you well. Ya' gotta' admit that PSA was a great time while we had it...and at least we got to be there for it.
 
I'll never understand anyone's eager willingness to sell out their junior coworkers, but I'll leave that between you and our Lord.
 
N924PS said:
Just curious there Luv.....have you ever examined the seniority of the top A330/B767 pilots in the right seat in PHL and CLT? Many of them are senior to Trader. Are they afraid to upgrade too?
I think not. Just comfortably enjoying the quality of life their bid position affords until they can hold something decent as a Captain.
Similarly, you and others chip on him because he had a father who happened to be a Captain at Piedmont. The East list especially at the top is filled with names of pilots who's Daddy happened to be a pilot or other employee that may or may not have helped their son or daughter get a job here. Prior to the new world order of HR/political correctness, that's the way things were done. Got them in the door, but then they had to compete on the interview/screening process like everybody else.
Your schtick is getting old, try to come up with some fresh material!
N924PS said:
They were short of Italian-Americans at the time.
Also at age 28, 5000 TT, plus B727 ATP, F/E Turbojet and 1200 hours in the 727, domestic and international.
My new hire class had 2 USAF C-141, 2 USN (F-4/A-3) 1 Army (OV-1 Mohawk)' and another civilian besides myself.
N924PS said:
Just curious there Luv.....have you ever examined the seniority of the top A330/B767 pilots in the right seat in PHL and CLT? Many of them are senior to Trader. Are they afraid to upgrade too?
I think not. Just comfortably enjoying the quality of life their bid position affords until they can hold something decent as a Captain.
Similarly, you and others chip on him because he had a father who happened to be a Captain at Piedmont. The East list especially at the top is filled with names of pilots who's Daddy happened to be a pilot or other employee that may or may not have helped their son or daughter get a job here. Prior to the new world order of HR/political correctness, that's the way things were done. Got them in the door, but then they had to compete on the interview/screening process like everybody else.
Your schtick is getting old, try to come up with some fresh material!
. Here, still? I thought you had retired. Talk about a stick getting old your sorry behind is pissed, you had to commute to PHL but the were awarded your DOH with every merger, if it doesn't hinder you in any way it is all about you and not your problem, Pretty sad retired and still livin the " glory days". Regret is a terrible emotion thank god I do not regret your retired. Give it a rest oh omniscient Aviation God your schtick is total narcassism!
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
. Here, still? I thought you had retired. Talk about a stick getting old your sorry behind is pissed, you had to commute to PHL but the were awarded your DOH with every merger, if it doesn't hinder you in any way it is all about you and not your problem, Pretty sad retired and still livin the " glory days". Regret is a terrible emotion thank god I do not regret your retired. Give it a rest oh omniscient Aviation God your schtick is total narcassism!
Retirement is the "glory days".

Aren't you retired as well?
 
EastUS1 said:
 
I'll never understand anyone's eager willingness to sell out their junior coworkers, .

That's what the guys say that fly with this dirtbag, I could not imagine sitting next to someone that would sell out you out, a real lowlife.
 
N924PS said:
Retirement is the "glory days".
Aren't you retired as well?
In a matter of speaking I have retired myself from the likes of people like yourself , who try to tell others, It would not have worked for me but "you should" accept it because it really would have worked for me . 3 yrs to go, but yes I am retired but not from this cause. And one thing is for sure, when that day comes you unlike yourself, not 1 post will be found here!
 
luvthe9 said:
That's what the guys say that fly with this dirtbag, I could not imagine sitting next to someone that would sell out you out, a real lowlife.
 
Whatever else is true; his active, working time has passed and he has no vote anymore, which will happen to all of us eventually, and myself more immediately than most here, so I'll allow myself the perhaps arrogant indulgence in a "big picture" perspective where earlier coworkers and shared heritage is concerned. What can no longer harm anyone is of no proper concern as any "threat"....and I do miss the planes with smiles on their faces sometimes. 😉
 
luvthe9 said:
That's what the guys say that fly with this dirtbag, I could not imagine sitting next to someone that would sell out you out, a real lowlife.
Now you're just making stuff up Luv.

I'm sure most of the pilots I flew with are man or woman enough to tell me they think I'm full of it. Several did, but we always parted with a hand shake and respect for a differing opinion.

Just like your imaginary AA friends, those "guys" don't exist........
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
In a matter of speaking I have retired myself from the likes of people like yourself , who try to tell others, It would not have worked for me but "you should" accept it because it really would have worked for me . 3 yrs to go, but yes I am retired but not from this cause. And one thing is for sure, when that day comes you unlike yourself, not 1 post will be found here!
Best of luck at AA for the remainder of your career.
 
Phoenix said:
Time for the West to grieve the absence of the Nic on Wings..
The west pilot leadership has previously grieved their rendition of the seniority list, and lost. They were sent packing with the same admonition they fail to heed- whether it be imagined " harm" or seniority. They needed a JCBA with east pilots to trigger anything, and everything. There was a large rift between the west pilot leaders. The smart ones warned the low tier law students that to grieve, and get an answer that came true regarding the need for JCBA would harm their cause. And it did. They lost.
Marty knows better, or hopefully does. Either way, he makes a handsome living off of the ignorance of persons such as Mitchell Vasin and Eric Ferguson et al. Even a lower tiered law school graduate should be able to grasp these simple tenents of law. Scott Kirby has a very good understanding, despite his systems management background. Scott is a very learned fellow.


Kirby: We expect an AMR-US Airways merger to resolve our pilot seniority dispute


By Terry Maxon
tmaxon@dallasnews.com
11:36 am on May 17, 2012 | Permalink



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US Airways president Scott Kirby said Thursday that the airline believes a merger with AMR and American Airlines will help US Airways resolve the prolonged seniority dispute of pilots at US Airways.

Responding to a question at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch conference, Kirby talked about the dispute between pilots of US Airways and America West Airlines after the 2005 merger about how they would combine their seniority lists.

Here is his answer at the conference.

Yeah. Its ironic but the solution to that issue at US Airways I think its probably because were able to get this deal done. The area that people focus on the most is USAPA, our pilots union. In this case there is a huge benefit for our pilots in getting the deal done. They can go to the new contract at American, which is a very large pay raise for the US Airways pilots. So as I fly around the system, as I talk to the union leadership at USAPA, they want the deal to happen and they want us to get it done and they are working cooperatively with us and with APA to get the deal done.

As to the seniority integration issue, I think this is the way out of the box for them. For those of you that follow the industry, there has been this seniority fight between the former US Airways and the former America West pilots. And as long as that seniority dispute is happening and isnt resolved by a court, they really cant negotiate a single agreement with the company because they cant agree on whats going to happen with seniority. And they are waiting for a court to answer that question for them.

This is a way to start over and not start over completely, but at least have a fresh beginning. Today, you know what, the analogy I use is that they painted themselves into a corner into a room, and neither side can compromise. This is a way to start the process over in a new integration.

There is also federal legislation, the McCaskill-Bond legislation, which will mandate binding arbitration. So the plan in this case is that our union and APA combined will have a joint contract, and we will have that hopefully on the day we close the merger, assuming we do.

That contract will be in place and so there will be a joint contract in place. And then more than likely the seniority issue will go through a process and ultimately get to arbitration. But because we will already have a joint contract in place, that arbitration will be binding. It will just get implemented.

In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.
 
I will summarize, in Mr Kirbys' word. Verbatim.....


In the US Airways America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasnt done yet.

And because it wasnt done yet, the side that didnt like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened.


So as much as those fellows in the west contend the Nicolau is the list, the truth is contained in the Wings section of information the company provides. The list the Leonidas people have? Merely a fairy tale. From the land of 675 dollar ties.
 
Mitchell Vasin
Airline Pilot & Attorney
Phoenix, Arizona AreaAirlines/Aviation
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Vasin Law Office PLLC, American Airlines
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Fisher & Phillips LLP, Arizona Supreme Court, Airline Pilots Association
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N924PS said:
Best of luck at AA for the remainder of your career.
 
That, without any possible argument, we can both agree on for those with many years yet to go....Umm...But you will naturally understand if you always and forever must remain a non-Miramar/civilian-only-wimp, equally "old man". 😉
 
N924PS said:
Now you're just making stuff up Luv.

I'm sure most of the pilots I flew with are man or woman enough to tell me they think I'm full of it. Several did, but we always parted with a hand shake and respect for a differing opinion.

Just like your imaginary AA friends, those "guys" don't exist........
 
Yeah, that's the ticket.  The guys had nothing but respect for a guy that milked date of hire from MD80 F/O to the 330 but thought it was fine to trash your F/O's careers based on a United rigged "process" that guaranteed them a career at the bottom.
 
The remarks we all heard never happened.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWtUVDG5M1w
 
EastUS1 said:
 
Well, should "you'se" ever wish to rise above gleefully cackling over people's graves on the internet, and ever personally want to prove your AWA-some skills aloft to the world; my recreational flying wager's been open for over 7 years now.  No "BODY COUNTS" involved, and on a much more sanely and light-hearted basis that'd only cost you a few bucks, but admittedly, perhaps "billions in damages" to your infantile ego.
 
"DO YOU WANT TO"...? "...Do I feel lucky?...Well, do ya'...punk?" 😉
 
 
What?...No "valor" soaked, "battle" tested "spartan", umm.. "knight(s)" up for even that? Sigh...Must I, the whole world even, just patiently indulge yet another 7 years of only hopefully, even EVER awaiting the very first actual glimpse of the umm, "spartan army's" not purely internet-only "heroics" instead?
 
Sign me off as being completely bored with these pathetic and twisted little freaks-of-nature, other than by way of clinical interest.
 
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