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dariencc said:
James H. Anderson makes some very good points.
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Point 1: Arrogant
Point 2: Entitled
Point 3: Pompous
Point 4: Self Aggrangizing
Point 5: Usapan Chief Sycophant
Pont 6: Person "of interest".....
 
cactusboy53 said:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2012/10/15/judge-says-us-airways-and-pilots-can-negotiate-but-risk-seniority-lawsuit/
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A 2012 article. Before west pilots ratified the MOU by 98%.
west pilots have had large pay raises. west pilots have career expectations after 2018 they never imagined. Good luck on your next legal adventure west pilots.


First and foremost, plaintiffs cannot explain, nor do they try, how irreparable injury follows from this Courts finding that there is no injury at all. As this Court already determined, because no seniority term exists, because it has yet to be negotiated, there is no harm, hence the case is not ripe. Addington v. US Airline Pilots Assn, 606 F.3d 1174, at *10 (9th Cir. 2010) (We conclude that this case presents contingencies that could prevent effectuation of USAPA's proposal and the accompanying injury). And, in making the lack of injury determination, this Court necessarily rejected plaintiffs theory of their case that a failure to implement a predecessor unions proposal one even the former union was free to drop is somehow a violation of the duty of fair representation. Id. at *14, n.3 (USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor). Hence, under the law of this case, that bare possibility cannot constitute injury now, or ever. Second, plaintiffs admit that it is merely speculative (it might) that the imagined harm, a date of hire seniority term, is ever negotiated, ratified, and executed. Stays may be denied even with a showing of irreparable harm, but without such showing denial is required. Chrysler LLC, 129 S. Ct. 2275 (2009)


They claim that the Supreme Court would reverse because, this case will encourage other unions to refuse, in bad faith, to implement an arbitrated seniority integration (DktEntry 52 at 1-2), when this Court has already found the Nicolau arbitration was merely the product of the internal rules and processes of ALPA. Addington, 606 F.3d 1174, at *15, n.3. But there is no arbitration that USAPA was ever a party to anywhere in this record. And the district court properly dismissed (and plaintiffs did not appeal) the removed state claim, which asserted the pilots themselves were a party. There not only is no federally mandated arbitration, there is no arbitration at all, merely a predecessor unions bargaining proposal.



Plaintiffs also claim that this Courts disposition would thwart important federal labor policy evidenced by the 2007 passage of the McCaskill-Bond bill(DktEntry 52 at 2).3 But there is no dispute, let alone any claim, that McCaskill is not applicable, nor could it be for several reasons, procedural as well assubstantive. Even if McCaskill were applicable, arbitration is not mandatory, rather, as plaintiffs concede, only utilized, if necessary. Plaintiffs McCaskill argument is a red-herring.
 
"...An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result..."

Judge R. Silver
 
Posts: 61
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: Jetz and props
Ratings: ATP, MEI, FE B-727, B-737 type
Curr Position: Flying for the aquiring airline
Total Time: 11,000

Sully, welcome to Phoenix
Open letter to Doug Parker.

September 28, 2009
Mr. Douglas Parker
CEO & Chairman of the Board
US Airways, Inc.
111 W. Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, Arizona 85281

VIA EMAIL

Dear Doug:

I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.

I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.

While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.

Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO

Mitch Vasin, former Eagle pilot, America west pilot, Arizona Summit Law School graduate commenting on the heroic actions of Chesley Sullenberger
United States Air Force Academy 1973
 
cactusboy53 said:
"...An impartial arbitrators decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result..."
Judge R. Silver
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Dicta, dear Dave. Musings of an Arizona judge. Not a ruling.
I gave you legal ruling.
You need to talk to someone other than Mitchell vaselino
 
Claxon said:
Posts: 61
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: Jetz and props
Ratings: ATP, MEI, FE B-727, B-737 type
Curr Position: Flying for the aquiring airline
Total Time: 11,000
Sully, welcome to Phoenix
Open letter to Doug Parker.
September 28, 2009
Mr. Douglas Parker
CEO & Chairman of the Board
US Airways, Inc.
111 W. Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, Arizona 85281
VIA EMAIL
Dear Doug:
I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.
I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.
While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.
Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO
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Vasin envy? Vasin fascination?

Obsessed none the less. 😉
 
EastCheats said:
Vasin envy? Vasin fascination?
Obsessed none the less. 😉
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Vasin can have his turn in the spotlight. For the Legacy American pilots to see. Then they can understand the guy who is going to try and hammer their former furloughed.
Consider it a courtesy, from me, to them.
Eye on Leonidas
Eye on Vasin
 
Claxon said:
Vasin can have his turn in the spotlight. For the Legacy American pilots to see. Then they can understand the guy who is going to try and hammer their former furloughed.
Consider it a courtesy, from me, to them.
Eye on Leonidas
Eye on Vasin
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How would you know what Mitch has planned, inspector?

Carry on with your "investigation" 😉

https://m.com/watch?v=64yianfGvzc
 
you do the math Einstein...
talked to ops and got the flight number. Checked in on catcrew. West crew brought it in the night before.
Radar left on, PWS on, PFD, MFD swapped on both CPT and FO side.
P2P filed.
grow up
 
Claxon said:
Dicta, dear Dave. Musings of an Arizona judge. Not a ruling.
I gave you legal ruling.
You need to talk to someone other than Mitchell vaselino
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I'll take the logical dicta and salient warnings from a seasoned & respected jurist over the desperate, emotional, illogical, revisionist historical rants from Richard Cranium any day.
 
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