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cactusboy53 said:
I'll take the logical dicta and salient warnings from a seasoned & respected jurist over the desperate, emotional, illogical, revisionist historical rants from Richard Cranium any day.
You go Dave. Take the dicta over the ruling. Makes life much easier for the rest of us.
How did that work for you when that other idiot Judge Wake laid out his "salient" stuff?

By the way, that was the 9th Court in San Francisco you just called RICHARD CRANIUM........
 
cactusboy53 said:
I'll take the logical dicta and salient warnings from a seasoned & respected jurist over the desperate, emotional, illogical, revisionist historical rants from Richard Cranium any day.
Her dicta was where she played the role of a politician kissing babies and smiling for the camera, her binding ruling was were she was being a judge dropping the guillotine, at least twice.
 
crazystnic said:
you do the math Einstein...
talked to ops and got the flight number. Checked in on catcrew. West crew brought it in the night before.
Radar left on, PWS on, PFD, MFD swapped on both CPT and FO side.
P2P filed.
grow up

We have had several more incidents picking up west flown planes, windows left partially unlocked, spills on the seats among other things which will be looked at by upper management.
 
2, 2008 7:43 AM

I hope the pilot group does not know about your plan to pay USAPA dues and join as a member, else I fear for your safety.

Anyone who supports a leader like John McIlvenna who throws out veiled threats is just as sick as John.

U-Turn didnt get ALPA thrown off the property. Neither did the MEC. ALPA got itself thrown off. Praters lack of leadership and ALPAs refusal to present the list right after it came out gave USAPA the time to get ALPA thrown off the property. ALPA should have put the entire East MEC in trusteeship when they stalled and didnt bargain in good faith. ALPA would still be gone, but at least we would have a NIC contract. Thats where the conflict of interest really is, Jim.

When George Hopkins writes the East/West chapter in Flying the Line, III, U-Turn wont even get a footnote. ALPA did it to itself. ALPA got caught up in a true conflict of interest and couldnt figure a way out. Whats done is done. Get over it.

PREDICTION: The ALPA BOD will remove Prater at their semi-annual meeting this fall.

Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn


Did Prater get removed? Was ALPA removed? U Turn was dead on, as usual
 
crazystnic said:
you do the math Einstein...
talked to ops and got the flight number. Checked in on catcrew. West crew brought it in the night before.
Radar left on, PWS on, PFD, MFD swapped on both CPT and FO side.
P2P filed.
grow up
 
Sure...and you had no ability to turn the radar on or anything else to try to set up a West crew. Lying sack of chit.
 
How'd that Cactus 18 set-up work out for you? Thrown out.
 
 
CactusPilot1 said:
Sure...and you had no ability to turn the radar on or anything else to try to set up a West crew. Lying sack of chit.
 
How'd that Cactus 18 set-up work out for you? Thrown out.
That aircraft will have recorded many if not all of those events with time stamps, save the windows.
 
Mike Turpen,

In support of your endorsement for Mike Cleary you wrote:

"Randy Mowrey and I, along with Bob Davison and Kevin Berry worked together to create a seniority list with appropriate conditions and restrictions to protect the pre merger career expectations of our entire pilot group. During the development phase of the conditions and restrictions we had many lively debates about what the final product should look like but under Randys steady guidance, we worked through those issues and finalized what I believe to be a truly fair and equitable way to integrate the two pre merger airlines."

In the names above, I do not recognize one West pilot who had "lively debates" with you about what the final seniority list should look like. With incredible hubris and sense of entitlement, you of the East decided a "fair and equitable" way to integrate the two pre merger airlines in the list passed to the company last year. No neutral third party, no input from those you claim to protect with "conditions and restrictions." Even more laughable, you tout the disenfranchising of the America West Pilots as something you are proud of.

I hope you will be proud of the circumstances, B-scale and slave labor work rules, that many of your East brethren will be retiring on (maybe even you after being there 28 years). Mr. Glass is giving legal "lip service" to negotiating in good faith, but a contract will not be forth coming. The synergies being reaped by management over the devision between East and West is unprecedented. The entire East is working on B-scale with slave labor work rules, while the West is operating as if they have no legal representation which translates into a very fuel efficient, reliable, and on time West operation. Mr. Glass knows USAPA has no leverage at the bargaining table. He is aware that many, if not most, on the West would happily cross any USAPA picket line on all their days off, to fly to FAR mins, for free, in the highly unlikely event of the NMB releasing USAPA to strike. The East's attempt to negotiate a contract without unity with the West is a sad joke on us all.

We will continue to enjoy the fence we are not getting paid for, while you continue to enjoy your B-scale and slave labor work rules. I think our lot is better than yours. In the current economic climate, after the pot is tapped to get the East parity with the West, we on the West probably wouldn't be getting much of a pay raise, increase in benefits, or better scheduling. Even as he threw our top 400 guys under the bus, Nicolau recognized what parity would cost the West in the next contract. Was that reality part of your "lively debate" when coming up with YOUR "conditions and restrictions?"

Personally, I wouldn't mind a return to the days when management was pilot enemy #1, instead of my fellow union brethren. Should I not be fired by an arbitrator on April 1st, at the request of my union, then maybe I will be one step closer to change from within. In the meantime, should those you have endorsed get elected, then change from within will be a joke and negotiations will continue to be "lip-service" only. Enjoy your B-scale and slave labor work rules.

Have a nice day,

Susie Stegmuller

A Bad Union Pilot
USAPA = NO LEVERAGE
email 2steg@cox.net


Perhaps Susie has a different opinion now on the east-west divide..........
Pay close attention Legacy American pilots to the willingness of dear Susie to cross a picket line. Do you dare deny her and others their Triple 7 capt seat?
 
Claxon said:
That aircraft will have recorded many if not all of those events with time stamps, save the windows.
Back to the old bag of dirty tricks again. Got to love those distractions since you don't want to face an arbitration panel. Wye River, Vasin anything to divert attention from June 19.

I love reminding your failed witch hunts such as false ID theft and Rico charges. How about that brilliant fake safety campaign. That full page ad in the USA Today which resulted in fuel "skool" FAIL

Word is going out that you are back to your old tricks again. Thanks for the heads up.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
Back to the old bag of dirty tricks again. Got to love those distractions since you don't want to face an arbitration panel. Wye River, Vasin anything to divert attention from June 19.
I love reminding your failed witch hunts such as false ID theft and Rico charges. How about that brilliant fake safety campaign. That full page ad in the USA Today which resulted in fuel "skool" FAIL
Word is going out that you are back to your old tricks again. Thanks for the heads up.

Clax hit a nerve I see, stuck in PHX NICless, It just breaks our heart.


We luv reminding you of that little fact.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
How about that brilliant fake safety campaign. That full page ad in the USA Today which resulted in fuel "skool" FAIL
 
Actually; that ad was a response to the fuel "skool" mentality and with it; the then attempted complete undermining of pilots' authority on aircraft, but the incredibly sick likes of "you'se" were apparently far too busy donning your cactus-emblazoned kneepads for management and cheering heartily for, and even actively supporting the establishment of a legal injunction against the entire pilot group to have noticed. Understandable, I suppose, since "you'se" must about max-out all available brain cells on a daily basis just deciding whether to don either an "Integrity Matters" or "Dire Wolf" T-shirt on any given day.
 
There's just-plain-stupid, hopelessly-stupid, downright-unbelievably-stupid...and then there's "spartan".....
 
P.S. Realizing the last line above to be true and any reasonable interrogatives thus necessesarily futile: Did you ever bother to notice that punitive fuel "skool" went away? Why do "you'se" imagine that happened?
 
EastUS1 said:
Actually; that ad was a response to the fuel "skool" mentality and with it; the then attempted complete undermining of pilots' authority on aircraft, but the incredibly sick likes of "you'se" were apparently far too busy donning your cactus-emblazoned kneepads for management and cheering heartily for, and even actively supporting the establishment of a legal injunction against the entire pilot group to have noticed. Understandable, I suppose, since "you'se" must about max-out all available brain cells on a daily basis just deciding whether to don either an "Integrity Matters" or "Dire Wolf" T-shirt on any given day.
 
There's just-plain-stupid, hopelessly-stupid, downright-unbelievably-stupid...and then there's "spartan".....
 
P.S. Realizing the last line above to be true and any reasonable interrogatives thus necessesarily futile: Did you ever bother to notice that punitive fuel "skool" went away? Why do "you'se" imagine that happened?
You're lower than a scab, way lower, Usapian. Supporting a fake Union to take advantage a pilot group, accusing these pilots of criminal activity on false accusations, on and on. You earned my disdain. I celebrate every failure of your fake, decertified Union. It's a shame you are soon to retire because I'd like to spend the next decade I have left here reminding you of your disgusting Usapian legacy.
 
CactusPilot1 said:
You're lower than a scab, way lower, Usapian. Supporting a fake Union to take advantage a pilot group, accusing these pilots of criminal activity on false accusations, on and on. You earned my disdain. I celebrate every failure of your fake, decertified Union. It's a shame you are soon to retire because I'd like to spend the next decade I have left here reminding you of your disgusting Usapian legacy.
 
Why did you pay dues to a fake union? Just curious.
 
Since there doesn't seem to be any growth aircraft on the horizon, just replacement, let's see if my math is correct....

Factoring in retirement attrition and the fact that all of the upgrades after SLI will be shared by one single pilot group (barring any fences), with the "No bump/no flush" provision of the contract, It appears the west pilots with the nic award factored in, will be getting about every 3rd opening for up grade.

So, assuming around 300 retirements in 2018 and close to 500 in 2019 and beyond, I could see a 2003 hire at awe upgrading in a junior base as soon as around 2-4 yeRs after the SLI.

SO, HOW WOULD THEY HAVE FARED WITH DOH?
They would be upgrading now in PHX, CLT, and PHL.... But, don't let that inter fear with your quest to cash the Lotto ticket.....

An that would mean around 17 years to upgrade...hmmm?
Isn't that about the same seniority they wanted to jump in front off?
Talk about KARMA.....wow!
 
CactusPilot1 said:
....You earned my disdain..
 
Most amusing, mighty "spartan". Just exactly what is it you've ever done that "you'se" can even imagine earned my respect? Even just within the context of labor group issues; any people that'd eagerly ask of the CEO if they "should turn in" their supposed fellows are nothing more, nor ever likely could become anything better than utter scum....Period.  Beyond that; any set of supposed "adults" forever wallowing in some strange adolescence that somehow allows themselves fatuous fantasies of being supposed "soldiers" in a purely imaginary "army" need serious psychiatric help.  "Cute" little T-shirts you "knights"/kids have though.
 
Perhaps it's time for "you'se" to heroically post yet another actual Battle Flag from the Army of the Republic of Texas, and somehow fantasize that offering such absurdity demonstrates you as anything more than a pathetic child. Speaking of which; you could always call on cactusboy53 for another rousing round of "This is Sparta!" if you feel the need, or of course just reference your "cap'n aux"s imbecilic rantings about your being "valor" soaked, "battle" tested "knights"....?
 
Per the "disgusting Usapian legacy: I must note you've no ability to answer even a simple question: "Did you ever bother to notice that punitive fuel "skool" went away? Why do "you'se" imagine that happened?" I must suppose your failure there to be a direct product of a wholesale inability to extract your head from wherever it generally resides long enough to even take a brief glance outside the realm of: "It's ALL about MEEE!...Gimme my nic!....WAAAH!"
 
Grow Up.
 
cactusboy53 said:
"...An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result..."
Judge R. Silver
No contract no list.

Freighter
 
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