2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Freighterguynow]

Plenty calm Luvr. It's just a matter of time. The Nic is not gone, not dead, not hiding, and not going away. That is your reality. Tic toc.

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[EastUS1]

 
Who knows, there may be a stagnation shift after arbitration. You'll get to enjoy it yourself 😉
 

 
"You'se" folks are huge fans of "If" and "may be"....and have been for what; over 8 years now?....And yet another "T-minus" countdown "threat"? Sigh...Seriously?
 
Cactusboy53: "That is your reality. Tic toc."   

 

[EastUS1]

I'm glad you quoted him 😉
 
West pilots gave him an ear full of what he did not want to hear.

 
And, to his grudgingly-given credit here; he was actually able to not just burst into laughter in the process. One must truly wonder just who-tha'-heck you fools really think you are, so as to even imagine yourselves having any adverse affect on his day by all that pitiful whining.
 
"Grow Up" doesn't even begin to adequately address THAT degree of deep entrenchment in Fantasyland.

 

[cactusboy53]

"Members of the Association shall accept and agree to abide by the Constitution and Bylaws of ****** as they are in force or as they may be amended, changed, or modified."
 
Here's a question:  Does this mean that as a member of this organization, those members are bound by ALL tenets including the entrance and conclusion of arbitration and a final & binding award?  What do you boys say (LOGICALLY, not EMOTIONALLY)?

 

[EastUS1]

What do you boys say (LOGICALLY, not EMOTIONALLY)?

 
Answering that one's easy: Have fun in PHX and good luck with all your continued fantasies son.

 

[cactusboy53]

 
Answering that one's easy: Have fun in PHX and good luck with all your continued fantasies son.

Look Michael;
 
I was looking for an engaging, lucid, intelligent discussion on the content of an organization's Constitution & Bylaws.
 
Then I got your spiteful, repetitive, emotional response (big surprise).  Only thing missing?  The ever present challenge out-fly the Top Gun of US Air.

 

[A320 Driver]

The parties have agreed to arbitrate per MB starting in June with a look back to December of 2013. What do you want? Everyone gets a chance to put on their show for the arbitrators. It sounds like you are trying to make your case here before the thing even starts! What's the point? Sure you want the NIC. Don't tell us... our answer is NO. Tell the arbitrators!

 

[cactusboy53]

The parties have agreed to arbitrate per MB starting in June with a look back to December of 2013. What do you want? Everyone gets a chance to put on their show for the arbitrators. It sounds like you are trying to make your case here before the thing even starts! What's the point? Sure you want the NIC. Don't tell us... our answer is NO. Tell the arbitrators!

 
Just a little history lesson, that's all.  The quoted portion of the Constitution from USAPA:
 
USAPA Constitution (II-6-E): "Members of the Association shall accept and agree to abide by the Constitution and Bylaws of USAPA as they are in force or as they may be amended, changed, or modified."
 
Here's another quote:  “A member of the Association shall accept and agree to abide by the Constitution and By-Laws of the Association as they are in force at the time he is accepted for membership, or as they may be thereafter amended, changed, modified or adopted by the Board of Directors.”
 
This is from the ALPA Constitution & Bylaws.  It's nearly the same verbage.  My point is this:  The former US Air pilots were bound to accept and abide by ALL tenets of it's ALPA Constitution & Bylaws.  USAPA (and its members), being voted in as the new CBA, is bound by ALL tenets of the prior CBA.  They are ultimately not allowed to "cherry pick" the portions of the contracts, side letters, agreements, and arbitrations as they desire.
 
Delay has been achieved, and thus filling LCC's pocket books with funds that should have been ours.  Delay is not a plan, it's just delay.  Who knows what the arbitration panel will deliver?  What can they do & use?  All parties are bound to the conclusion of this final and binding arbitration (just like the last one).  It's just delay and it cost us all dearly.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Posts from idiots like this are why the company has chosen to distance themselves from the west pilot group. Understandable.

That choice was made long ago because we were the ones pushing for a joint contract. Uscaba played along with the company to keep operations separate. The benefit for the company and price paid by Usapians was bankruptcy wages. The AA pilots I spoke with know Uscaba works with management to keep operations apart and wages lower. The APA won't put up with this collusion. They don't care about our seniority dispute and won't accept lower wages and separate operations as a result.

 

[Phoenix]

I'm glad you quoted him 😉
 
West pilots gave him an ear full of what he did not want to hear.
 
Goodnight Clax.

Didn't want to hear?

If the company paid me enough to buy a $10M house I would gladly stand up in the front of the room and listen to you tell me scary things I "don't want to hear,"..... Once every few months, for 30 minutes.

You have reached a new zenith of desperation looking for a silver lining...

 

[nycbusdriver]

or as they may be amended, changed, or modified."
 
 
 

Well...how about "nullified," which is what actually happened, in part thanks to the 98% support of the PHX pilots.  Thank you, btw.

 

[cactusboy53]

Well...how about "nullified," which is what actually happened, in part thanks to the 98% support of the PHX pilots.  Thank you, btw.

Ah, another unemontional, lucid response.  I especially love your "tag": 
 
Hey, westicles! You must have missed the APA memo.  You're now totally irrelevant, and your little merger committee, too!
 
 
I wonder what you're going to do if the arbitration doesn't go according to your plan ("The JESS List")?  Agreeing to another final and binding arbitration (more so, because it's federally final and binding.  Right?).  Are you "supremely confident" that all is well?  What could possibly go wrong?

 

[EastUS1]

cactusboy: " It's just a matter of time. The Nic is not gone, not dead, not hiding, and not going away. That is your reality. Tic toc."

Ah, another unemontional, lucid response. 

 
If, in "you'se" amazing arrogance, you are honestly insisting on lucid and rational responses to your nonsense; you would do well to post less absurd gibberish than the above, and/or certainly your classic "This is Sparta!" from before. Both an avatar and signature line from "Erich Stratton...Rush Chairman...Damned glad to meet you" woefully fail to much inspire images of Aristotle as well.
 
Bottom Line: There's not a single reason on earth for anyone to take anything "you'se" group says as something more than fodder for chuckles, nor, as events have determined, has there been any reason to do so for over 8 years now.
 
Grow up and get over yourself kid. 

 

[Freighterguynow]

I'm glad you quoted him 😉
 
West pilots gave him an ear full of what he did not want to hear.
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Poor uneducated West pilots thinking they run the show.

Check out the 2nd qtr q/a.

F/a merge now late 2017.

First it was late 2016.
Then, sumer 2017
Now late 2017.

Remember they are first in line.

2018 tic toc

 

[EastUS1]

Poor uneducated West pilots thinking they run the show.

Remember they are first in line.

 
Indeed, and there can be no doubt of that last being "true"...Just ask them.