2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastUS1]

 wonder what you're going to do if the arbitration doesn't go according to your plan ....?

 
"If", "may be", and yet another ever-so-convincing "if"? Well; I suppose we could all sit around and perpetually speculate on "if" rather than just live our lives, but what's the even possible point in ever doing so?
 
The actual reality we live in finds the only group loudly whining about things and chaffing-at-the-bit to change their circumstances asap is your own.  Your grand plans to have "the nic crammed down your throats" have proved both pathetic and actually laughable to date, and no rational reason now exists to actually assume anything otherwise for the future...."This is Sparta!"/any/all nonsense notwithstanding.  Have you even ever at least considered the strong possibility that a panel of arbitrators, when faced with your nic, might not be so very overly AWAed by it, and instead think of just how many times it's been mentioned in subsequent industry arbitrations as being anything BUT the way to go?....And perhaps even why there's now 3 of them there to decide things? I'll not predict any rolling of dice, but "you'se" have a deeply-invested and well-practiced fantasy that your dice are somehow "loaded" in this instance, and I very much believe you're wrong. 
 
Time will tell. During that time you will remain stuck in PHX while virtually every new bid affords advancement in the east. Such are the true fruits of your "righteous" crusade, and one must hope you're fully content with them, as you certainly should be...being clearly people of only the most deeply held personal principles and even personal paradigms of "Integrity" and all, to whom no sacrifice should be too great to one day see "justice" prevail....Right? So stop with all the childishly petulant whining already.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
 
I wonder what you're going to do if the arbitration doesn't go according to your plan...

 
Wonder away, moron.  I will be retired long before you get off the desert island.  And some east pilot is going to get my A330 left seat...not some PHX loser.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
You callously overlook their famous Stupidity Defense though (and seriously; who couldn't have some honest sympathy for that?) wherein it was claimed that they were apparently hoodwinked by the road shows, haplessly taken in hook-line-and-sinker, and were evidently, wholly incapable of reading the MOU themselves, prior to overwhelmingly voting in favor of it.
 
P.S. Just curious here, but can anyone even possibly offer up the slightest reason to now take such a group of self-asserted illiterates and essentially village idiots as a continuing "threat" of any kind? I'm unable to find any reasonable basis on which to do so myself...?

Is the Ace Attorney Marty illiterate, too?

 

[EastUS1]

Is the Ace Attorney Marty illiterate, too?

 
One must almost assume that to be the sad case, given that the best he could evidently come up with was the "Stupid Defense" regarding the MOU, and even offered essentially just that in court. In truth though; I think he's an intelligent man who's (whether by initial intent or now just long-established habit) simply preying on a mostly weak-minded and poorly educated group of extremely gullible suckers.

 

[cactusboy53]

How many times do we have to get parked and how many injunctions have to be placed on us to prove we were trying to get a contract???  Only an idiot would believe we gladly accepted lower wages to remain separate.

Sorry, but there was a contract to be ACCEPTED that included better working conditions, MORE time off AND vacation, and much improved wages. All of this as early as 2007. Court testimony & exhibits document as such.

USAPA - "We never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity!"

 

[luvthe9]

Poor uneducated West pilots thinking they run the show.
Check out the 2nd qtr q/a.
F/a merge now late 2017.
First it was late 2016.
Then, sumer 2017
Now late 2017.
Remember they are first in line.
2018 tic toc

That darn I T department, gotta luv em!

 

[luvthe9]

Sorry, but there was a contract to be ACCEPTED that included better working conditions, MORE time off AND vacation, and much improved wages. All of this as early as 2007. Court testimony & exhibits document as such.
USAPA - "We never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity!"

"Pilots should recognize the recent Leonidas/AOL mailer for exactly what it is -- the very same tried-and-failed tactic ALPA attempted, to fabricate arguments that appeal to just enough pilots to try and get them to sell out their fellow pilot and accept a concessionary contract harmful to every US Airways pilot, East and West. USAPA was elected to oppose the efforts of these self-serving pilots, and we're not about to suspend our work in this regard. The Ninth Circuit Court has spoken. Soon the Phoenix District Court (which answers to the Ninth) will reject the Company's bold-faced attempt to create delay through its request for Declaratory Judgment, and finally the U.S. Supreme Court will reject the Addington appeal as well. One only has to read the opinion of the Ninth to determine that USAPA will prevail in our quest to bargain over the full terms of the contract, and further, to present for ratification an industry-standard contract that protects the un-merged career expectations of all US Airways pilots utilizing a tried-and-true methodology of seniority integration that recognizes the date a pilot began service to his/her employer -- the very same methodology used by every other labor group at US Airways."

 

[EastUS1]

That darn I T department, gotta luv em!

 
Yeah, despite PHX fantasies; a person could "almost" imagine that upper management isn't really all that critically concerned with seeing this mess stirred into collective soup anytime soon, or they'd take steps to see it done. Personally?...I give it another 6 months 'till even the densest "spartans" finally start to figure out that no one anywhere outside PHX much gives even a hair off a rat's arse about their "righteous" sufferings.

 

[EastUS1]

....All of this as early as 2007. .....

 
It's now 2015, just FYI kid. Perhaps "you'se" can call one of your vaunted attorneys to see about a plea bargain that might even possibly parole you from PHX in what's commonly known as the at all foreseeable future,  and good luck with even that much.
 
For reference "Eric Stratton"; the following seems most appropriate at this time:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

 

[EastUS1]

You think the APA is rushing as fast as they can to get the SLI finished so they can share their toys?  
 
The only group bitching for Kirby to hurry up already is the Saturday Night Live cast in PHX.  

 
Yep. It's a matter of faith that the APA's naturally losing sleep at night trying to figure out how to get their pilots into PHX, as well as the company's obvious passion to set things right with the IT department immediately all serving as clear indicators of things to come, and even that's dismissing the reasonable possibility of additional "leeteegashun" holding things up even further. Curiously; with the very same mangement in place; the PHX folks magically expect some entirely different behavior from them than they've evidenced for many years now...Go figure?
 
Sigh...Oh well. "This is Sparta!"...so I guess we'll all just have to keep going along and living our real lives in the meanwhile.  😉
 
Perhaps I'm a bit too flippant about all this; my judgement being clouded by the virtual certainty of being able to pleasantly retire without EVER needing to tolerate any pathetic little "spartans" in the cockpit as other than jump seat guests who would/will always be shown by me properly professional courtesy...even though one of their disgusting little punks denied me a ride home from an otherwise wonderful vacation, with a Lady aboard that I'd naturally bought a ticket for.. In fairness to the PHX folks; the AWA FA's treated her like royalty and profusely apologized to her for their "captain", whom they also considered a total jerk.

 

[cactusboy53]

Yep. It's a matter of faith that the APA's naturally losing sleep at night trying to figure out how to get their pilots into PHX, as well as the company's obvious passion to set things right with the IT department immediately all serving as clear indicators of things to come, and even that's dismissing the reasonable possibility of additional "leeteegashun" holding things up even further.
 
Sigh...Oh well. "This is Sparta!"...so I guess we'll all just have to keep going along and living our real lives in the meanwhile.  😉
 
Perhaps I'm a bit too flippant about all this; my judgement being clouded by the virtual certainty of being able to pleasantly retire without EVER needing to tolerate any pathetic little "spartans" in the cockpit as other than jump seat guests who would/will always be shown by me properly professional courtesy...even though one of their disgusting little punks denied me a ride home from an otherwise wonderful vacation, with a Lady aboard that I'd naturally bought a ticket for.. In fairness to the PHX folks; the AWA FA's treated her like royalty and profusely apologized to her for their "captain", whom they also considered a total jerk.

I'm very sorry (truly) that you didn't get your requested jump seat. Frankly, I'm a little surprised. Would you care to share specific details?

I look forward to AAA jumpseaters (ESPECIALLY with attitude), so I can school them on INTEGRITY and the value of keeping one's word.

Sorry about your experience, Michael.

 

[Phoenix]

Sorry, but there was a contract to be ACCEPTED that included better working conditions, MORE time off AND vacation, and much improved wages. All of this as early as 2007. Court testimony & exhibits document as such.
USAPA - "We never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity!"

Exactly... There was a CHOICE to be made. You understand. A CHOICE. And the minority opinion mattered(s) exactly as much as the minority opinion always mattered(s).... Proof Example: the 9th minority opinion...

 

[EastUS1]

I'm very sorry (truly) that you didn't get your requested jump seat. Frankly, I'm a little surprised. Would you care to share specific details?

 
Gladly son. I was returning from a vacation in LAS and didn't then have the slightest reason to actually believe "you'se" were, even possibly, much less truly such an utterly pathetic little group of children, or I'd have checked the flight numbers beforehand. I honestly just couldn't then even believe that ANY group of even supposed "pilots" were truly behaving as you've then and ever-after proved you do. I was, very much and quite literally in the process of shaking the supposed "captain's" hand on the jetway and requesting a ride home....Home being an east base. At that moment, without so much as any hesitation, "he" took his hand away and said "I can't have politics on the jumpseat"...without my ever having said a word other than to request a ride "home"....and this being much too early for anyone to have ever known my posting notions. I'd briefed my "significant other" that while I'd heard this sort of pathetic behavior to be possible; that I didn't really believe it, and if it occurred I'd call and make sure her son was there to pick her up, there then being no time for me to purchase a ticket. I then learned to nevermore soil my hand by shaking that of any "spartan"....Although I've since met both decent and actual pilots from PHX that hardly constitute "spartans" in any way.
 
So..."you'se" got some noble "spin" for that sort of jackass behavior from your fellow "spartans"?....I didn't think so kid. Spare me any attempts at first-name-basis discourse son, and just stick with "gramps". I sure ain't your BFF, and "you'se" most certainly don't "rank" such fatuously attempted familiarity at any level. Under no imaginable circumstances could I even possibly imagine you to be anything I'd ever expect my actual friends to accept in any case...unless adoption papers for a troubled child were involved, of course. Likely best that you stick to your own kind kid. My social circle's just not much impressed by cactus18 pins and "spartan bling"...Much less movie-driven-childish-fantasies and mighty cries of "This is Sparta!"...Trust me on at least that much.
 
Nothing I described above regarding the jump seat scenario was anything less than the full and honest truth. The lady involved even came off the plane with a napkin with all the forward FA's signatures and some kind notes as well. If "you'se" don't like that, then ask your mirrors some reasonable questions about your own behavior(s). As all ended well; I opted not to persue it, still being then in some state of willful disbelief that such "fellow pilots" were even possible, and perhaps that this particular jerk had some extreme reasons for somehow just having such a "bad day" that his behavior might at all be excusable...and "he" was, after all, a supposed "fellow pilot" in any case. Nearly 8 years since of dealing with "you'se" pathetic punks has sadly instructed me otherwise. 
 
No matter really. Offer me up another "gramps" or two and kindly explain again just why it is that such a mighty "This is Sparta!"...umm..."soldier" as yourself's just too plain pathetic to accept even a recreational flying wager?..Umm...Come to think of it; "you'se" never did actually explain your obvious reluctance there....? You are (even at least supposedly) a "Pilot"...Aren't you?  😉

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Sorry, but there was a contract to be ACCEPTED that included better working conditions, MORE time off AND vacation, and much improved wages. All of this as early as 2007. Court testimony & exhibits document as such.
USAPA - "We never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity!"

in May of 2007 only 11 of 30 sections were closed 3% pay raise with WEST rates and concessionary sections of the remaining , your so full of BS !

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I'm very sorry (truly) that you didn't get your requested jump seat. Frankly, I'm a little surprised. Would you care to share specific details?
I look forward to AAA jumpseaters (ESPECIALLY with attitude), so I can school them on INTEGRITY and the value of keeping one's word.
Sorry about your experience, Michael.

Heck why don't you sell them amway while your at it, !