2015 Pilot Discussion.

[cactusboy53]

Luvr said:  "Sorry no NIC.....Wye River!"
 
It's so funny that you think repeating YOUR opinion and only the cherry picked portions of Judge's orders (vs. FACTS, HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION, JUDICIAL DICTA) makes you think it's true.  Keep clickin' those red ruby shoes, Dorothy.  Kansas is just around the corner!

 

[A320 Driver]

What's funny is you and yours repeated assertion that AWA acquired US Airways after Parker and Kirby have told you repeatedly that AWA didn't even have the cash to stay out of another trip to bankruptcy long term. Keep drinking the KoolAid and hoping that someone is going to rescue you and make it all better.
 
You played hard ball...we brought the glove...

 

[AWE Dog]

Luvr said:  "...be glad you weren't sold off."
 
Be glad that we were reasonable and logical at the AWA / AAA SLI ARBITRATION to ask for relative seniority.  Be glad that Mr. Parker saw the wisdom of saving US Air before it was liquidated.  Be glad that you got the job back that you had no chance of returning to had AWA Holdings not acquired US Air.  Come to think of it, you have a lot to be thankful for Luvr.  Your entitlement attitude and revisionist history is blocking your view and reason.
 
Dave

So being reasonable has gotten you stuck in PHX for at least 8 years and for at least 3 more. Maybe you aren't so reasonable?? Hey, stay with the Nic, Mario says it's only costing him $7K a month Yup it's worth every penny, Nic or nothing.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Luvr said:  "Sorry no NIC.....Wye River!"
 
It's so funny that you think repeating YOUR opinion and only the cherry picked portions of Judge's orders (vs. FACTS, HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION, JUDICIAL DICTA) makes you think it's true.  Keep clickin' those red ruby shoes, Dorothy.  Kansas is just around the corner!

let us get this straight he QUOTES, judges orders, not attorney positions, historical documentation, Leadusunhireables have lost 2 DFR'S FACT, and 9th Circuit Appeals, FACT, and all you do is throw out BS, hope when you gave your phone number to the LAA pilots they did not realize there is a lecture going with the info on non-rev with it! Dave You were not even here long enough to know the history, over 30 USAIRWAYS combined entity left AWA in 1983 , to come to PSA, etc, YOU were the people's express of that era, and now besides we could have only wished you bought us, he'll our change of control would have kicked in! Yes we all know you want your 2000 date of hire leapfrogged to 1987, as the rest of TWA gang on your AWA list, ! Convince your APA brethren, we're all outta here!

 

[Phoenix]

Phoenix writes:  "If you want a fair result tell your committee.  Arbitration is not necessary unless the committees can't act like grown ups."
 
So when a party shows up to a mediation, then an arbitration and (paraphrasing) says:  "It's DATE OF HIRE or else (with reasonable conditions and restrictions, of course)!!!!".....you would consider that fair and acting like grown-ups?  Versus the other party showing up and arguing a logical case for relative seniority?
 
When that party gets all upset about the result of that mutually agreed upon process and steps away from the negotiation process, is that the act of "grown-ups"?
 
Just trying to get an understanding of your statements.  Double standards?
 
Dave

Parents teach their kids how to be grown ups by being grown up... Not by whining and bitching with rhetorical questions about the ancient past.

Arbitration is not necessarily a foregone conclusion. The committees are allowed to negotiate and come to an agreement. They probably won't get very far trying to deny the legal status quo.

At this point I really don't care. The process and the result will be legally fair and binding (imagine that.. Congress is more capable than ALPA!) and I really don't care how much time it takes or what the result will be. It will be what it will be.

 

[cactusboy53]

Parents teach their kids how to be grown ups by being grown up... Not by whining and bitching with rhetorical questions about the ancient past.
Arbitration is not necessarily a foregone conclusion. The committees are allowed to negotiate and come to an agreement. They probably won't get very far trying to deny the legal status quo.
At this point I really don't care. The process and the result will be legally fair and binding (imagine that.. Congress is more capable than ALPA!) and I really don't care how much time it takes or what the result will be. It will be what it will be.

Congress' McCaskill / Bond is the SAME footprint of the ALPA Merger policy. ALPA Merger policy calls for the SAME process. Once again, Grasshopper, you are blaming ALPA for something that they did not do. ALPA did not wrong you in this process:

1. Your party agreed to the process.
2. Your party chose Arbitrator Nicolau.
3. Your party argued for Date of Hire.
4. The Arbitrator AND the experienced Pilot Neutrals rendered the arbitrated list.
5. Your party pitched a fit and RAN away from the contract negotiation table.
6. Your party willfully created USAPA for the sole purpose of evading the Arbitrated Seniority List.

Not adult behavior by any means.

 

[cactusboy53]

let us get this straight he QUOTES, judges orders, not attorney positions, historical documentation, Leadusunhireables have lost 2 DFR'S FACT, and 9th Circuit Appeals, FACT, and all you do is throw out BS, hope when you gave your phone number to the LAA pilots they did not realize there is a lecture going with the info on non-rev with it! Dave You were not even here long enough to know the history, over 30 USAIRWAYS combined entity left AWA in 1983 , to come to PSA, etc, YOU were the people's express of that era, and now besides we could have only wished you bought us, he'll our change of control would have kicked in! Yes we all know you want your 2000 date of hire leapfrogged to 1987, as the rest of TWA gang on your AWA list, ! Convince your APA brethren, we're all outta here!

Oh look, the "it's not fair, you have no right!" argument. We haven't seen that in a page.

Gear up, Mut.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Oh look, the "it's not fair, you have no right!" argument. We haven't seen that in a page.
Gear up, Mut.

. Dave how many times was ALPA merger policy changed after the NIC , please quote a source? MM !

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Congress' McCaskill / Bond is the SAME footprint of the ALPA Merger policy. ALPA Merger policy calls for the SAME process. Once again, Grasshopper, you are blaming ALPA for something that they did not do. ALPA did not wrong you in this process:
1. Your party agreed to the process.
2. Your party chose Arbitrator Nicolau.
3. Your party argued for Date of Hire.
4. The Arbitrator AND the experienced Pilot Neutrals rendered the arbitrated list.
5. Your party pitched a fit and RAN away from the contract negotiation table.
6. Your party willfully created USAPA for the sole purpose of evading the Arbitrated Seniority List.
Not adult behavior by any means.

Your party willfully supplied data ,to the arbitrator stolen , sealed documents to advance your position, FACT , WE filed aDFR, enter USAPA lawsuit dropped!

 

[nevergiveup]

Congress' McCaskill / Bond is the SAME footprint of the ALPA Merger policy. ALPA Merger policy calls for the SAME process. Once again, Grasshopper, you are blaming ALPA for something that they did not do. ALPA did not wrong you in this process:

1. Your party agreed to the process.
2. Your party chose Arbitrator Nicolau.
3. Your party argued for Date of Hire.
4. The Arbitrator AND the experienced Pilot Neutrals rendered the arbitrated list.
5. Your party pitched a fit and RAN away from the contract negotiation table.
6. Your party willfully created USAPA for the sole purpose of evading the Arbitrated Seniority List.

Not adult behavior by any means.

You think ALPA merger policy was followed. We do not. You think USAPA was created to evade the Nic. We do not. You say Potato, I say Pat...ect.....New arbitration coming up using the 3 lists that were currently in effect, voted for heavily by the west group. Keep you fingers crossed! Where do you want to be in 3 to 10 years?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Now Dave, your saying ALPA, merger policy when our lists were merged followed M/B, your facts call Vassellino!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Now Dave, your saying ALPA, merger policy when our lists were merged followed M/B, your facts call Vassellino!,

Congress' McCaskill / Bond is the SAME footprint of the ALPA Merger policy. ALPA Merger policy calls for the SAME process. Once again, Grasshopper, you are blaming ALPA for something that they did not do. ALPA did not wrong you in this process:
1. Your party agreed to the process.
2. Your party chose Arbitrator Nicolau.
3. Your party argued for Date of Hire.
4. The Arbitrator AND the experienced Pilot Neutrals rendered the arbitrated list.
5. Your party pitched a fit and RAN away from the contract negotiation table.
6. Your party willfully created USAPA for the sole purpose of evading the Arbitrated Seniority List.
Not adult behavior by any means.

Dave post/ M/b and post ALPA merger policy, THE DATE this merger took place, Your ADULT participation appreciated, And get ur dates straight talk to the vasseline!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Congress' McCaskill / Bond is the SAME footprint of the ALPA Merger policy. ALPA Merger policy calls for the SAME process. Once again, Grasshopper, you are blaming ALPA for something that they did not do. ALPA did not wrong you in this process:
1. Your party agreed to the process.
2. Your party chose Arbitrator Nicolau.
3. Your party argued for Date of Hire.
4. The Arbitrator AND the experienced Pilot Neutrals rendered the arbitrated list.
5. Your party pitched a fit and RAN away from the contract negotiation table.
6. Your party willfully created USAPA for the sole purpose of evading the Arbitrated Seniority List.
Not adult behavior by any means.

In Fact DAVE in The BREEGER CASE, which like NIC will arise again ALPA abandons your position, you know why? Yes you do, !

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Pleez show any reference DAVE, where the AWA, AAA, merger was Mc/ BOND ? You can't it wasn't ! BS artist !

 

[snapthis]

What's funny is you and yours repeated assertion that AWA acquired US Airways after Parker and Kirby have told you repeatedly that AWA didn't even have the cash to stay out of another trip to bankruptcy long term. Keep drinking the KoolAid and hoping that someone is going to rescue you and make it all better.
 
You played hard ball...we brought the glove...

Parker certainly had the influence and backing to put the deal together and acquire US Airways. I'm sorry you can't handle the truth.

"In 2005, Parker secured about $1.57 billion from planemaker Airbus SAS, former Air Canada parent ACE Aviation Holdings Inc. and hedge funds Par Capital Management Inc. and Peninsula Investment Partners LP to acquire bankrupt US Airways, which was 60 percent larger than America West. It was an unprecedented group of investors for an airline takeover."