2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Phoenix]

LIAR

 
 

 
"..he says most westicles realize their little NIC has been long dead and most are hoping for a fair deal with MB". 
 
OK. 

1. How exactly did he ascertain that "most westicles realize their little NIC has been long dead"?
2. Did he realize that the Nicolau Seniority list is the ONLY combined LUS list in existence that has been accepted and approved by US Airways management?
3. How about a name? 
4. Did he realize that Arbitrator Javiz COMPLETELY revealed "The Jess" in the pre-arbitration?
5. Did he realize you are quite possibly the most prolific liar here and that a simple introduction from him on the flight deck would be woven into a yarn of epic proportions?

 
 

 
 
So which is it? 1) Is Luv a LIAR about what the captain said, or 2) is your captain speaking off YOUR reservation by speaking HIS opinion?
 
Forgive me for asking a Westie to identify such a small distinction.  Luv is a LIAR or your captain is a lunatic...
 
Take a deep breath and pick one target.  You are swinging your riffle in all directions and pulling the trigger indiscriminately.  You are attacking everyone.
 
Try to focus before you show up to class.  

 

[luvthe9]

So which is it? 1) Is Luv a LIAR about what the captain said, or 2) is your captain speaking off YOUR reservation by speaking HIS opinion?
 
Forgive me for asking a Westie to identify such a small distinction.  Luv is a LIAR or your captain is a lunatic...
 
Take a deep breath and pick one target.  You are swinging your riffle in all directions and pulling the trigger indiscriminately.  You are attacking everyone.
 
Try to focus before you show up to class.

The capt in question was upset because it will be a long time before getting to MIA, long commute to PHX, . AOL wrecking careers of ALL west pilots, oh well.

 

[Phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-mJUyYskVYI#t=6

 

[cactusboy53]

 
 
 
 
So which is it? 1) Is Luv a LIAR about what the captain said, or 2) is your captain speaking off YOUR reservation by speaking HIS opinion?
 
Forgive me for asking a Westie to identify such a small distinction.  Luv is a LIAR or your captain is a lunatic...
 
Take a deep breath and pick one target.  You are swinging your riffle in all directions and pulling the trigger indiscriminately.  You are attacking everyone.
 
Try to focus before you show up to class.  

I believe the entire episode to be a fabrication.  Period.  See you at the table where we will see what "The Jess" is.

 

[cactusboy53]

The capt in question was upset because it will be a long time before getting to MIA, long commute to PHX, . AOL wrecking careers of ALL west pilots, oh well.

Then the poor soul is misinfomed.  MIA won't happen because the company claims "IT Problem".  That has NOTHING to do with the trainwreck CAUSED by the East pilots failing to accept the agreed upon seniority arbitration.
 
USAPA - We never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]In the matter of: Preliminary Arbitration Board APA/USAPA/AA (December 17, 2014)[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]ARBITRATOR JAVITS: All three lists. I guess the gravamen of the questions is are you then putting yourself in the place of Nicolau, are you the new Nicolau because you are proposing a list which may not reflect Nicolau's list? ….. And American pilots. And, therefore, you're making a proposal, which may be different than what Nicolau had in mind[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]and issued back in '07.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]MR. FREUND (in closing):As the Chairman put it so nicely in his questioning of Jess Pauley, what the US -- what the East Committee, the US Airways Committee, the USAPA Committee, call it what you want, what it wants to do is to put itself in the place of George Nicolau and redo what George did in 2007.[/SIZE]
 
"The Jess"  (Well, we couldn't get DOH, so we just came up with this on our own).

 

[traderjake]

So which is it? 1) Is Luv a LIAR about what the captain said, or 2) is your captain speaking off YOUR reservation by speaking HIS opinion?
 
Forgive me for asking a Westie to identify such a small distinction.  Luv is a LIAR or your captain is a lunatic...
 
Take a deep breath and pick one target.  

 
You left out the third and obvious choice:
 
Luv is a LIAR and a lunatic.  

 

[Phoenix]

I believe the entire episode to be a fabrication.  Period.  See you at the table where we will see what "The Jess" is.

 
 
I see plenty of Westies walking around without their membership ties.  Its stupid to think one or two of them wouldn't be a in disagreement with the LCC.  You did have 12 pilots refuse to agree with your recommendation on the MOU vote.  Maybe Luv's jumpseater didn't have a tie AND didn't vote your recommendation.  
 
The LAA pilots are going to be a lot more interested in what the West LCC has to say about LAA LOS than anything else.  

 

[cactusboy53]

 
 
I see plenty of Westies walking around without their membership ties.  Its stupid to think one or two of them wouldn't be a in disagreement with the LCC.  You did have 12 pilots refuse to agree with your recommendation on the MOU vote.  Maybe Luv's jumpseater didn't have a tie AND didn't vote your recommendation.  
 
The LAA pilots are going to be a lot more interested in what the West LCC has to say about LAA LOS than anything else.  

Perhaps you are correct.  The same reason I give any East pilot the benefit of the doubt when they jumpseat.  There have been MANY that shake their heads at USAPA in utter and complete disgust, then offer profuse apologies.
 
Even the company VP had this to say about USAPA:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]The National Mediation Board on the subject of contract continuity:[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]"When there is an agreement in effect between a carrier and its employees signed by one set of representatives and employees choose new representatives who are certified by the Board, the Board has taken the position that a change in representation does NOT ALTER OR CANCEL ANY EXISTING AGREEMENT [/SIZE]made on behalf of the employees by the previous representatives.  The only effect of a certification by the Board is that the employees have chosen other agents to represent them in dealing with the management under the existing agreement”

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT: BYBEE, Circuit Judge, dissenting:[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]Here, the absence of a CBA is itself powerful evidence of a DFR violation. As set forth quite fairly in the majority opinion and in a lengthy and careful opinion by the district court, the Air Line Pilots Association (“ALPA”) was decertified and a new union, the U.S. Airline Pilots Association (“USAPA”), certified precisely to frustrate implementation of the Nicolau Agreement and to negotiate a CBA with U.S. Airways that favors the East Pilots. As the district court found, “USAPA’s sole objective in adopting and presenting its seniority proposal to the Airline was to benefit East Pilots at the expense of West Pilots, rather than to benefit the bargaining union as a whole.” Thus, “the terms of USAPA’s seniority proposal are substantially less favorable to West Pilots than the Nicolau Award” made through binding arbitration, an award that “USAPA concedes that it will never bargain for.”[/SIZE]

 

[snapthis]

 
 
I see plenty of Westies walking around without their membership ties.  Its stupid to think one or two of them wouldn't be a in disagreement with the LCC.  You did have 12 pilots refuse to agree with your recommendation on the MOU vote.  Maybe Luv's jumpseater didn't have a tie AND didn't vote your recommendation.  
 
The LAA pilots are going to be a lot more interested in what the West LCC has to say about LAA LOS than anything else.  

Maybe Luv had no jumpseater, that would explain the absence of a tie.  LAA pilots have no interest in what the East committee has to say, right?
 

 

[Phoenix]

Maybe Luv had no jumpseater, that would explain the absence of a tie.  LAA pilots have no interest in what the East committee has to say, right?
 

 
I see plenty of westies without their membership tie.  I don't blame them.  
 
The LAA pilots are the ones who negotiated a 2 year LOS credit.  Some of them came back from furlough to get it.  Should their LOS (+the 2 year credit) mean nothing since they were on furlough at the time of the merger?  
 
How many LAA pilots and LUS East pilots would be harmed by dismissing any consideration from LOS (and the LOS 2 year credit)?  
 
I doubt there is as much daylight between the LAA and USAPA committees as you would hope, and as we all know, no one ever changes their opinion about seniority.  Discussions are never persuasive.  Never.  
 
Throw some popcorn in the microwave.  

 

[snapthis]

 
I see plenty of westies without their membership tie.  I don't blame them.  
 
The LAA pilots are the ones who negotiated a 2 year LOS credit.  Some of them came back from furlough to get it.  Should their LOS (+the 2 year credit) mean nothing since they were on furlough at the time of the merger?  
 
How many LAA pilots and LUS East pilots would be harmed by dismissing any consideration from LOS (and the LOS 2 year credit)?  
 
I doubt there is as much daylight between the LAA and USAPA committees as you would hope, and as we all know, no one ever changes their opinion about seniority.  Discussions are never persuasive.  Never.  
 
Throw some popcorn in the microwave.  

 
Light on the butter, let's get the show started, there are way too many previews.

 

[luvthe9]

Then the poor soul is misinfomed.  MIA won't happen because the company claims "IT Problem".  That has NOTHING to do with the trainwreck CAUSED by the East pilots failing to accept the agreed upon seniority arbitration.
 
USAPA - We never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Huh? Were you or were you not offered the NIC, you turned it down when offered it to you.

You are the one that has wrecked the careers of your own group son, IT dept, sure lets go with that one.


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