2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

"Jeff Freund warned the West MEC that if USAPA won, the West risked losing everything. He urged reaching an agreement. He was gone on Day Two. We won’t address his motivation for leaving."


Jeffery knew, why did you not listen?...........mistake of a lifetime.......remember. " We did this to ourselves".

 

[luvthe9]

PHX Crew News May 29th 2008

Scott Kirby meets with pilots in PHX: I feel 100% certain that every single person in this room is better off because of the last merger occurred, there is a high probability that none of us would have jobs, at least not at this airline, none of us would have jobs and at a minimum a lot of us wouldn't have jobs.




Your welcome.

 

[luvthe9]

WEST MERGER ATTORNEY JEFFREY FREUND

Thus, the “arbitration award” Plaintiffs purportedly seek to “vacate” is in actuality the proposed pilot seniority list developed through ALPA’s Merger policy that ALPA will adopt as its bargaining position to be presented to the Company, but which (like a union bargaining position in any matter) the Company is not required to accept. Application, Ex.1 at 2,9 (ALPA will present to the company the merged seniority list developed through ALPA’s Merger policy arbitration procedures, and “ALPA will use all reasonable means at its disposal to compel the company to accept and implement the merged seniority list”). Plaintiffs seek review of this ALPA bargaining position developed through ALPA Merger Policy, and, while couching it in the terms of “vacating” and “arbitration,” the relief they actually seek is a review of the product of ALPA’s Merger Policy, and, ultimately, alteration of ALPA’s bargaining proposal to the company…Plaintiff’s Application to “vacate” an “arbitration award” that does not establish any enforceable seniority rights in a collective bargaining agreement with the Company, but which merely sets out ALPA’s bargaining position to be presented to the company, is not a state law claim at all but rather an artfully pled Federal claim for breech of Duty of Fair Representation.

 

[Phoenix]

Or a large pepperoni pizza.  Dan is right.  Furlough by LOS was NOT in the Nicolau.  Sorry Luvr, WE don NOT negotiate AWAY from the product of an agreed upon process.  Arbitrator Javitz got it.  Judges all over the nation got it, but just couldn't find the hammer to deliver that blow to USAPA. 
 
We're in a new SLI process.  The questions are:
 

• What will the Jess look like?
• What will APA offer as a beginning and end to SLI?
• What will the West Merger Committee propose?
• What will the Arbitration Panel deliver (They can deliver ANYTHING they deem FAIR & EQUITABLE)?

This SLI will be fair and equitable. Sleep easy it will all come out just fine in the end.

 

[luvthe9]

"The MEC thought we were entitled to 90% of the new 757s. The East offered us 40%. We turned them down. Just before expedited arbitration was to begin, our merger attorney Freund told us we couldn’t win. We ended up settling for a 40% IOU that we still haven’t been able to use"



"The East offered us 40% of the E-190 CA positions in a non-precedent DOH basis. McIlvenna and Dotter demanded a rotating bidding system that would put the most senior pilot on reserve every four months. We ended up in arbitration and lost. We got 33% of the CA slots as IOU. No west pilots have upgraded on the 190. If we took their DOH offer, we would have upgraded over 40 West pilots already. Almost half could hold lines."




The east offered.............remember kids........NIC OR NOTHING.

 

[cubs_in_2012]

Is it me, or has this thread become the equivalent of Groundhog Day?  (without the benefit of Bill Murray...!!)

 

[luvthe9]

10 The court in Addington noted that “[a]dditionally, USAPA's final proposal may yet be one that does not work
the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if that proposal is not the Nicolau Award,” and thus the implementation of a
CBA that does not include the Arbitration Board’s merged list would not necessarily be a breach of USAPA’s DFR.
2010 WL 2220058 at *5.




What don't you westies get?...........AOL is very much in debt to Marty and losing support big time.

 

[luvthe9]

Is it me, or has this thread become the equivalent of Groundhog Day?  (without the benefit of Bill Murray...!!)

It's only been ten years or so.......looking forward to the next ten.

 

[luvthe9]

This SLI will be fair and equitable.

Not sure the westies will be happy with that......LMAO!

 

[Phoenix]

Not sure the westies will be happy with that......LMAO!

Yeah. They paid some 2004 hires a lot of money to get their perspective on fair.

 

[luvthe9]

Yeah. They paid some 2004 hires a lot of money to get their perspective on fair.

Good one!

 

[luvthe9]

Dear Doug:

I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.

I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.

While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.

Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO





I bet Mitch Vasalino will be at the premier of Sully's movie!



And you wonder why you guys have screwed yourselves..

 

[end_of_alpa]

Dear Doug:

I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.

I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.

While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.

Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO





I bet Mitch Vasalino will be at the premier of Sully's movie!



And you wonder why you guys have screwed yourselves..

 
When and where did you get this?

 

[luvthe9]

When and where did you get this?

Archives, an old letter found on the Internet.



The boy is very arrogant and I guess jealous.


Sully, welcome to Phoenix
Open letter to Doug Parker.

September 28, 2009
Mr. Douglas Parker
CEO & Chairman of the Board
US Airways, Inc.
111 W. Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, Arizona 85281

VIA EMAIL

Dear Doug:

I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that

 

[Claxon]

Dear Doug:
I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.
I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.
While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.
Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO
I bet Mitch Vasalino will be at the premier of Sully's movie!
And you wonder why you guys have screwed yourselves..

Vaselino gives Doug an ultimatum at the end. The Arizona Summit Law grad had Doug quivering at the implied threat of LEE TEE GAY SHUN.

Meanwhile, Sully clocks massive pay and east pilots capture massive attrition.
Nice job 2004 hires.