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Let's compare avatars. Is this a new challenge?
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No need for an escape plan: "This is the Captain, remain seated, remain seated, remain seated" (we are in a "no bump/no flush" zone)..... Everyone may keep their seats... Training costs, you know are expensive....EastCheats said:Did that JV legal team of yours check for emergency exits if you need to make another escape?
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With those expensive training costs, it makes one wonder how the company can afford to put the E/W pilots on the 9 month training cycle. 😉
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No problems. Ewe sound worried. Ewe OK Clax?Claxon said:
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BIG contributor well before our IPA's. Moron.Claxon said:
west pilots, at the time of the west, East merger, the west had no retirement and profit sharing. The transition agreement gave west pilots a defined contribution plan, profit sharing and jump seat.
The west and East pilots had zero neutral pilot costs pre merger. alpa trying to advantage united pilots in a future merger with USAirways pilots tried to mettle in a non neutral way.
Nice try. porky pig look alike prater! You almost got away with it.
"“Much of West’s claimed superiority over East, in terms of what it brought to the merger, is speculative. There is, for example, scant support for West’s claim that, post-merger, “the focus of lender anxiety is clearly on the side of U.S. Airways”21 or that, following the merger, with the AWA CEO assuming the helm in Phoenix, “the predator king gets to have the top job, to grant fiefs to his chieftains, and to fly the flag over his castle!”
“Finally, one must consider, in terms of fairness and equity, the resulting shape and impact of the merged seniority list. The equities, in this regard, favor the East group. As indicated earlier, the U.S. Airways Dispatchers are considerably more senior then their West counterparts. The arithmetic placement proposed by Local 542 would devitalize the existing Airways seniority list by granting substantial, and in some cases monumental seniority leaps that cannot be justified by the record in this case."
“For example, senior-most AWA Transport Workers Union Of America, Local 545 and Dispatcher Brenda Cozzen has an A.D. (occupational) date of January 1985. By the West proposal, she would be slotted directly above an East employee with almost six years greater seniority. This pattern is repeated down through position #81, where Dispatcher Lopez would gain more than ten years’ advantage over his counterpart, and so it continues through to the end of the list, with West employees receiving twelve, thirteen and fourteen year advantages. 28 As the East notes, 29 the junior-most West employee did not begin work as an AWA Dispatcher until November of 2005, after both execution and approval of the merger agreement. “
“But that is, after all, the essence of length-of-tenure based seniority, which, in this particular case, heavily favors the older U.S. Airways work force.
That the date of hire approach has been adopted by other unionized groups in both companies is, in and of itself, by no means dispositive ; the facts and relative equities of each of the affected groups ultimately are what will determine a given outcome. In this case, those elements favor the East group, for the reasons set forth above. Accordingly, the finding is that the date of hire method is more fair and equitable and it is hereby awarded."
"However, West’s claim that U.S. Airways emerged from bankruptcy “only because it [was] acquired by a stronger enterprise”10 is reflected neither in the KPMG audit report (cited by West)11 nor in any other portion of the evidence. Instead, each carrier had something to contribute. Airways, for example, was much larger. It served almost twice as many destinations as AWA and carried twice the number of passengers.12 Airways has substantially more cash on hand, following the merger agreement."
AWARD
The date of hire method of seniority integration proposed by the U.S. Airways Dispatchers is awarded.
RICHARD I. BLOCH, ESQ.
Arbitrator Bloch disagreed with alpa arbiters, nicolau, """neutral""""" arbitrators and united pilots gillen and brucia in a USAirways merger list.
cut and paste the link below.
http://jamhoff.com/PDFs/ArbitratorDecisionAward.pdf
The west and East pilots had zero neutral pilot costs pre merger. alpa trying to advantage united pilots in a future merger with USAirways pilots tried to mettle in a non neutral way.
Nice try. porky pig look alike prater! You almost got away with it.
"“Much of West’s claimed superiority over East, in terms of what it brought to the merger, is speculative. There is, for example, scant support for West’s claim that, post-merger, “the focus of lender anxiety is clearly on the side of U.S. Airways”21 or that, following the merger, with the AWA CEO assuming the helm in Phoenix, “the predator king gets to have the top job, to grant fiefs to his chieftains, and to fly the flag over his castle!”
“Finally, one must consider, in terms of fairness and equity, the resulting shape and impact of the merged seniority list. The equities, in this regard, favor the East group. As indicated earlier, the U.S. Airways Dispatchers are considerably more senior then their West counterparts. The arithmetic placement proposed by Local 542 would devitalize the existing Airways seniority list by granting substantial, and in some cases monumental seniority leaps that cannot be justified by the record in this case."
“For example, senior-most AWA Transport Workers Union Of America, Local 545 and Dispatcher Brenda Cozzen has an A.D. (occupational) date of January 1985. By the West proposal, she would be slotted directly above an East employee with almost six years greater seniority. This pattern is repeated down through position #81, where Dispatcher Lopez would gain more than ten years’ advantage over his counterpart, and so it continues through to the end of the list, with West employees receiving twelve, thirteen and fourteen year advantages. 28 As the East notes, 29 the junior-most West employee did not begin work as an AWA Dispatcher until November of 2005, after both execution and approval of the merger agreement. “
“But that is, after all, the essence of length-of-tenure based seniority, which, in this particular case, heavily favors the older U.S. Airways work force.
That the date of hire approach has been adopted by other unionized groups in both companies is, in and of itself, by no means dispositive ; the facts and relative equities of each of the affected groups ultimately are what will determine a given outcome. In this case, those elements favor the East group, for the reasons set forth above. Accordingly, the finding is that the date of hire method is more fair and equitable and it is hereby awarded."
"However, West’s claim that U.S. Airways emerged from bankruptcy “only because it [was] acquired by a stronger enterprise”10 is reflected neither in the KPMG audit report (cited by West)11 nor in any other portion of the evidence. Instead, each carrier had something to contribute. Airways, for example, was much larger. It served almost twice as many destinations as AWA and carried twice the number of passengers.12 Airways has substantially more cash on hand, following the merger agreement."
AWARD
The date of hire method of seniority integration proposed by the U.S. Airways Dispatchers is awarded.
RICHARD I. BLOCH, ESQ.
Arbitrator Bloch disagreed with alpa arbiters, nicolau, """neutral""""" arbitrators and united pilots gillen and brucia in a USAirways merger list.
cut and paste the link below.
http://jamhoff.com/PDFs/ArbitratorDecisionAward.pdf
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No. We decided to use smaller word that you'd understand : FINAL & BINDINGClaxon said:
(It's like shooting fish in a barrel, right?)
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Knit yourself a comfy island hammock it's going to be ERIC !cactusboy53 said:
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I recently read where you can get a free tie in the chief pilot's office. You might tell him that!cactusboy53 said:
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05-31-2008, 09:46
Hey Cactusboy
Hey Dave,
Watch out what you post. They know who you are.
Attorneys are advised. Hope you have deep pockets .
Good luck
Marty
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Here's the important thing: As new USAPA pilots we must all be informed and remain informed.
If you want to find out what is going on, call USAPA's hotline. The phone number is: (877) 678-7272. If the line quality is sub-standard, move to the next pay phone and try the number again. Keep trying, because informed is empowered. If it takes 200-300 calls a day, stay informed!!!!
For those of you that are not involved in this event but have a merger on the horizon, you should call too to understand the dynamics.
05-31-2008, 09:46
Hey Cactusboy
Hey Dave,
Watch out what you post. They know who you are.
Attorneys are advised. Hope you have deep pockets .
Good luck
Marty
Quote:
Originally Posted by cactusboy53
Here's the important thing: As new USAPA pilots we must all be informed and remain informed.
If you want to find out what is going on, call USAPA's hotline. The phone number is: (877) 678-7272. If the line quality is sub-standard, move to the next pay phone and try the number again. Keep trying, because informed is empowered. If it takes 200-300 calls a day, stay informed!!!!
For those of you that are not involved in this event but have a merger on the horizon, you should call too to understand the dynamics.
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