2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

. U-Turn broke that news last week. No one believed us. We got emails saying we we’re telling the truth, but here’s the proof. One AWAPPA supporter is begging for contributions on the Internet (cactusboy53 @ forums.flightinfo) for the AWA PILOTS LEGAL EXPENSE TRUST to help pay for the lawsuits. AWAPPA turned its back on its supporters, this is what “cactusboy53” posted:
As one of the named defendants targeted by USAPA, I have had to organize the financial defense of those not represented by AWAPPA…we, the individual defendants must establish our own defense team and the cost may be high financially. The ten of us, “The Cactus 10”, who are not on the AWAPPA Board of Directors need your help!

 

[cactusboy53]

Old OLD news Luvr. Not desperate, right? What did I do with that "grasping at straws" icon?

The JESS will be revealed today! How exciting for "you's guys"! Be sure to lead with how the Nic "isn't fair".

 

[nevergiveup]

Old OLD news Luvr. Not desperate, right? What did I do with that "grasping at straws" icon?

The JESS will be revealed today! How exciting for "you's guys"! Be sure to lead with how the Nic "isn't fair".

Fair, maybe...maybe not. Not legally unusable......priceless!

 

[EastCheats]

Old OLD news Luvr. Not desperate, right? What did I do with that "grasping at straws" icon?

The JESS will be revealed today! How exciting for "you's guys"! Be sure to lead with how the Nic "isn't fair".

Let me guess. History repeats itself. 😉
 
IT's NOT FAIR!
 

 

 

[Phoenix]

Old OLD news Luvr. Not desperate, right? What did I do with that "grasping at straws" icon?

The JESS will be revealed today! How exciting for "you's guys"! Be sure to lead with how the Nic "isn't fair".

 
 
You guys will always implicitly assume the burden of proof is on USAPA to nullify the Nic, even though in court your implicit assumptions never tricked any judge, and now 98% of you ratified a binding contract with that exact term "nullity" in regard to all former agreements, including the only document ever favorable to the Nic, the 2005 TA.  Keep on with your implicit assumption strategy... it pays for a lot of ties.   And the APA will fall for it... they are pushovers, I hear.   
 
The APA is a lot more interested in what you are going to do with their "furloughed" pilots LOS than they are about supporting your implicit assumptions about a list referred to in a nullified TA from a decade ago.    Fairness can reside in a very wide range of reasonableness... anywhere from a snapshot list from a decade ago to a DOH adjusted for wide bodies... I wouldn't expect any extremes this time around, but ya never know when ya let the arbs decide.  
 
Let's see how much daylight exists between USAPA and APA...  
 
Let's see how much C&R blows up when they find out what the West plans to do with the APA "furloughs" (ya know the ones that "didn't bring a job to the merger").  

 

[Phoenix]

Let me guess. History repeats itself. 😉
 
IT's NOT FAIR!
 
 

 

 

[EastCheats]

 
 
You guys will always implicitly assume the burden of proof is on USAPA to nullify the Nic, even though in court your implicit assumptions never tricked any judge, and now 98% of you ratified a binding contract with that exact term "nullity" in regard to all former agreements, including the only document ever favorable to the Nic, the 2005 TA.  Keep on with your implicit assumption strategy... it pays for a lot of ties.   And the APA will fall for it... they are pushovers, I hear.   
 
The APA is a lot more interested in what you are going to do with their "furloughed" pilots LOS than they are about supporting your implicit assumptions about a list referred to in a nullified TA from a decade ago.    Fairness can reside in a very wide range of reasonableness... anywhere from a snapshot list from a decade ago to a DOH adjusted for wide bodies... I wouldn't expect any extremes this time around, but ya never know when ya let the arbs decide.  
 
Let's see how much daylight exists between USAPA and APA...  
 
Let's see how much C&R blows up when they find out what the West plans to do with the APA "furloughs" (ya know the ones that "didn't bring a job to the merger").  

 
 

 

 
That must be you in detention and were forced to write implicit assumptions a 1000 times prior to step two. 

 

[luvthe9]

Old OLD news Luvr. ".

Kind of like our dead NIC.

 

[cactusboy53]

Fair, maybe...maybe not. Not legally unusable......priceless!

You're a bright kid. How about you show me what & where I can read that specifically.

I didn't think so.

 

[Claxon]

The MIRACLE HAPPENS HERE is how the west places scores of east pilots recalled years before the status quo date are placed where the west wants them. Mitch Vaselino will squirm like the sneaky sham lawyer he is when he has to explain that one.
The opportunistic 2004 lawyer and his henchman PHX rep Dave Simmons will have to face Bill Wilder and not only answer to the terms of the MOU, but McCaskill Bond as well. They cannot evade those facts.
Explain to all of us how you use an unconsummated SLI from 2007 and fast forward it 8 long years later. You cannot and will not. You will abide by the status quo date and that date alone with its inherent positions of all pilots at that date. All LAA pilots furloughed were offered recalls prior to that date as well so they are protected.

Go back and order another IPA Dave. Yesterday was the last day LAA pilots had the wool pulled over their eyes by west pilots. The daggers will be unsheathed today.

 

[Claxon]

You're a bright kid. How about you show me what & where I can read that specifically.
I didn't think so.

You have misinformed and misrepresented your constituents for years with your ignorance.






“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.

And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby

 

[EastCheats]

Implicit assumptions
Implicit assumptions
Implicit assumptions
 
Nic is dead
Nic is dead
Nic is dead
 
Repeat
 
No known cure for the repetitive dysfunction disorder caused by an East infection.

 

[Claxon]

Lie your way out of that Dave.

 

[EastCheats]

The MIRACLE HAPPENS HERE is how the west places scores of east pilots recalled years before the status quo date are placed where the west wants them. Mitch Vaselino will squirm like the sneaky sham lawyer he is when he has to explain that one.
The opportunistic 2004 lawyer and his henchman PHX rep Dave Simmons will have to face Bill Wilder on that one.
Explain to all of us how you use an unconsummated SLI from 2007 and fast forward it 8 long years later. You cannot and will not. You will abide by the status quo date and that date alone with its inherent positions of all pilots at that date. All LAA pilots furloughed were offered recalls prior to that date as well so they are protected.

Go back and order another IPA Dave. Yesterday was the last day LAA pilots had the wool pulled over their eyes by west pilots. The daggers will be unsheathed today.

 
Did someone say daggers? Oh, the horror
 

 

[Claxon]

Did someone say daggers? Oh, the horror

Face the facts RR. You are merely a Gold level with no PUSH FOR JUSTICE.
All talk.