2015 Pilot Discussion.

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Dont' blame me for AOL's bad driving.  
 
And if ya get that car out of the water, you might want to update your map... its about eight years out of date.  Wouldn't want to drive off another bridge, next time it might be a cliff. 

He He.......
 
Too bad Bradford could not deliver the DOH list after Leonidas deflated the tires on his van.
 
Money well spent.

 

[Phoenix]

He He.......
 
Too bad Bradford could not deliver the DOH list after Leonidas deflated the tires on his van.
 
Money well spent.

 
 
Strict DOH was never really fair IMHO.. (but we got it anyway by default).  
 
Bradford and Eric were just trying to do the best they could.  It will be fair soon.. but very entertaining along the way!

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

I have to admit after scrolling the last few pages I was laughing out loud at some of the photos, comments, and come backs. Good stuff from both sides.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

We'll get through it.

 

[luvthe9]

Dont' blame me for AOL's bad driving.  
 
And if ya get that car out of the water, you might want to update your map... its about eight years out of date.  Wouldn't want to drive off another bridge, next time it might be a cliff.

"All we at U-Turn can say is: WE TOLD YOU SO!"





Dave B. he was smarter than all you pretend lawyers, you should have listened to him.

 

[luvthe9]

Tell those West pilots got to endure furloughs out of seniority order while furloughs from the East got recalled. That's a lottery ticket that you cashed.
Maybe you don't recall the comments from the Nicolau decision. Here's a refresher:5098 pilots on its seniority list, 1691 of which (33%) were on furlough.'
with the most senior furloughed pilot (Colello)
When all that is considered, in the majority's view, it is far more appropriate to
combine those who brought jobs to the merger, particularly when the
protection of career expectations is of such overriding concern.
If Odell is placed on the list above Colello next to and just below Monda,
who was the junior US Airways active pilot, that will insure that active
pilots are integrated with active pilots and also give Odell a measure
of protection the America West pilots justifiably seek. In making this
judgment, we agree with America West's argument that in this case
active pilots should be merged with active pilots, but do not agree that
the equities are so persuasive as to disadvantage US Airways pilots
such as Monda and those above him, who, like Odell, brought jobs to
the merger.
A majority of the Board has also decided that the totality of premerger
career expectations weighs in favor of active pilots as of the
date of the announcement. When one considers the number and
length of furloughs on the US Airways side and the dim prospects the
airline faced and compares it to the lack of furloughs on the America
West side, which furloughs ceased to exist long before the merger
took place, merging active pilots with furloughees, despite the length
of service of some of the latter, is not at all fair or equitable under any
of the stated criteria.

"The AAA pilots brought 2/3 of the jobs to the merger, 75% of the future attrition and 100% of the premium paying jobs, yet in the middle of 2027 there are only 5 of the top 100 pilots on the merged list from the former AAA list. That is, our attrition argument at its very core.

All the agreements you sight were negotiated and or ratified by the AAA pilots for one reason; so that our company would survive. We did it so we could live to fight another day, so that in the future we could reap the rewards of our sacrifice. None of us did it so that we could take the job of an AWA pilot. Now most of us have made that sacrifice in vain. Mr. Nicolau transferred the vast majority of the benefits of those sacrifices to the AWA pilots."




Besides saving you!




Remember you should not even be here now, that's your lottery ticket. Greed got you before thought you have learned by now.

 

[luvthe9]

The $380 million loan guarantee was approved on a split vote, with a Treasury official voting no because he thought the government would end up on the hook for the loan. America West had the breathing room it needed to survive, and the federal government controlled a third of the company.

But profits were elusive, and the carrier sank back into the red in 2004 as fuel prices soared. The industry overall? A staggering $42 billion in losses from 2000 to 2005.

 

[EastCheats]

"The AAA pilots brought 2/3 of the jobs to the merger, 75% of the future attrition and 100% of the premium paying jobs, yet in the middle of 2027 there are only 5 of the top 100 pilots on the merged list from the former AAA list. That is, our attrition argument at its very core.
All the agreements you sight were negotiated and or ratified by the AAA pilots for one reason; so that our company would survive. We did it so we could live to fight another day, so that in the future we could reap the rewards of our sacrifice. None of us did it so that we could take the job of an AWA pilot. Now most of us have made that sacrifice in vain. Mr. Nicolau transferred the vast majority of the benefits of those sacrifices to the AWA pilots."
Besides saving you!
Remember you should not even be here now, that's your lottery ticket. Greed got you before thought you have learned by now.

I thought I've seen it all. Just when things get stranger and stranger.

You topped this
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[luvthe9]

I thought I've seen it all. Just when things get stranger and stranger.
You topped this
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You seem to have a hard time with the truth, which is OK I guess.




This is going to fun to watch..

 

[EastCheats]

You seem to have a hard time with the truth, which is OK I guess.
This is going to fun to watch..

I don't think I'd go to you for the truth 😉

Posted by luvthe9 on 22 December 2014 - 06:25 PM in American Airlines
Sorry son, more like coming up on 33 years but whose counting, but we all luv you think I'm Courtney..

Posted by luvthe9 on 31 January 2015 - 06:00 PM in American Airlines
Guess your clueless about your new boss. 34 year USAirways employee

luvthe9, on 04 Jun 2015 - 3:45 PM, said:
Sorry son this our forum.........a 35 year year employee

 

[luvthe9]

I don't think I'd go to you for the truth 😉
Posted by luvthe9 on 22 December 2014 - 06:25 PM in American Airlines
Sorry son, more like coming up on 33 years but whose counting, but we all luv you think I'm Courtney..
Posted by luvthe9 on 31 January 2015 - 06:00 PM in American Airlines
Guess your clueless about your new boss. 34 year USAirways employee
luvthe9, on 04 Jun 2015 - 3:45 PM, said:
Sorry son this our forum.........a 35 year year employee

Like I said before is there a big difference after 30 years, but let's go with 34 if it helps you sleep better.


But hey you can still lift gear for me any day son.

 

[cactusboy53]

You seem to have a hard time with the truth, which is OK I guess.
This is going to fun to watch..

You as well Luvr.  Here's some truth snipits from the past:
 
[SIZE=12pt]“In this instance, despite a year of negotiating efforts, there was no agreement on a list. Subsequently, the Representatives choose the Undersigned as Board Chairman and opted for the Med-Arb process. Those mediation efforts, held over the course of five days in October 2006, were similarly unsuccessful. Thereafter, the Parties agreed on the arbitration ground rules, and, pursuant to the Policy, each chose a Pilot Neutral from ALPA's Pilot Neutral Master List as a nonvoting member of the Arbitration Board.”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]George Nicolau, Mediator[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]AWA/AAA Opinion & Award; May 07, 2007[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]


 
[SIZE=12pt]The National Mediation Board on the subject of contract continuity:[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=12pt]"When there is an agreement in effect between a carrier and its employees signed by one set of representatives and employees choose new representatives who are certified by the Board, the Board has taken the position that a change in representation does NOT ALTER OR CANCEL ANY EXISTING AGREEMENT [/SIZE]made on behalf of the employees by the previous representatives.  The only effect of a certification by the Board is that the employees have chosen other agents to represent them in dealing with the management under the existing agreement”

 

[cactusboy53]

Lie your way out of that Dave.

 
What on earth are you babbling about?  I am pleased & proud to have served my fellow former AWA pilots via USAPA.  It was an education on how low down & amoral some people can astonishingly be.  Further, I am frequently complimented on my time spent in the USAPA cesspool.  My Phoenix pilots are THE BEST.  We have stuck together, supported each other, and fought the good fight.  You folks forced us to defend our position, and have tried EVERY DIRTY TRICK in the bag to attack us & destroy our resolve.  USAPA picked the wrong group of people to bully up on.  Believe me, everyone else in the industry knows exactly what you & your ilk are made of.
 
Hangman is coming, Renegade.  I don't know how the courts and arbitration panels will rule, BUT I know that this arbitration is REALLY FINAL & BINDING (pretty much like the last one).  USAPA will urinate away the remaining funds on its plan ("Dodge the Nicolau List at Any & All Costs").  Then USAPA will die, and go down as the most imbecilic and expensive labor organization experiment ever to be hatched.

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]

 

 

[luvthe9]

“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.

And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby





You lose.