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Your witness sir.
 
USAPA pilots prehearing statement.
 
"The APA West Pilot Committee also may not assert that the Nicolau Award establishes any seniority rights for US Airways (West) Pilots vis-à-vis US Airways (East) Pilots. That award has been adjudicated three times to not govern the seniority rights of US Airways pilots by the federal courts in the litigation Addison, et al v. US Airline Pilots Assn.
 
“Arbitrators are not free to ignore the preclusive effect of prior judgments under the doctrines of res judicata and collateral estoppel”. Elkouri & Elkouri, How Arbitration Works, 7th ed., 11-34 (2012), quoting Aircraft Braking Systems Corporation v. Local 856, United Auto Workers, 97 F.3d 155, 159 (6th Cir. 1996). This Arbitration Board must give effect to the final court judgments that the Nicolau Award does not govern the seniority rights of US Airways pilots.
 
The agreements governing this proceeding require that the Arbitration Board integrate all three pilot groups on the basis of three separate seniority lists. The December 2012 Memorandum of Understanding in its paragraph 10(h) recited that it did not alter the status quo of three separate lists in effect on December 9, 2013. The Section 13( protocol agreement signed by American, APA and USAPA also provided that the certified seniority lists would reflect the status quo of three separate seniority lists on December 9, 2013. Section 13( agreement, ¶ 2(. These agreements preclude any claim that the US Airways pilots should first be integrated among themselves and then integrated with American pilots in a “two-step” process on the basis of equities claimed from the US Airways-America West merger. Accordingly, the USAPA Merger Committee proposal integrates the three pilot seniority lists into a single, integrated seniority list."
 
Claxon said:
Just a suggestion to the arbitration board below.
 
I believe American Pilots will come to an agreement in seniority with USAPA pre arbitration..
 
"THE BOARD’S AUTHORITY UNDER THE MCCASKILL-BOND AMENDMENT IS LIMITED TO INTEGRATING THE PILOT SENIORITY LISTS ON THE BASIS OF THE STATUS QUO OF THREE SEPARATE SENIORITY LISTS IN EFFECT ON DECEMBER 9, 2013
 
The USAPA Merger Committee anticipates that the APA West Pilot Committee may assert that the pilots of US Airways should be integrated together on the basis of the arbitration award issued by Arbitrator George Nicolau in the ALPA Merger Policy proceeding initiated by the merger of US Airways and America West. This Arbitration Board has no authority to integrate the pilots of US Airways and American on any basis other than the three separate seniority lists in effect on December 9, 2013."
 
 
 
Claxon said:
Your witness sir.
 
USAPA pilots prehearing statement.
 
"The APA West Pilot Committee also may not assert that the Nicolau Award establishes any seniority rights for US Airways (West) Pilots vis-à-vis US Airways (East) Pilots. That award has been adjudicated three times to not govern the seniority rights of US Airways pilots by the federal courts in the litigation Addison, et al v. US Airline Pilots Assn.
 
“Arbitrators are not free to ignore the preclusive effect of prior judgments under the doctrines of res judicata and collateral estoppel”. Elkouri & Elkouri, How Arbitration Works, 7th ed., 11-34 (2012), quoting Aircraft Braking Systems Corporation v. Local 856, United Auto Workers, 97 F.3d 155, 159 (6th Cir. 1996). This Arbitration Board must give effect to the final court judgments that the Nicolau Award does not govern the seniority rights of US Airways pilots.
 
The agreements governing this proceeding require that the Arbitration Board integrate all three pilot groups on the basis of three separate seniority lists. The December 2012 Memorandum of Understanding in its paragraph 10(h) recited that it did not alter the status quo of three separate lists in effect on December 9, 2013. The Section 13( B) protocol agreement signed by American, APA and USAPA also provided that the certified seniority lists would reflect the status quo of three separate seniority lists on December 9, 2013. Section 13( B) agreement, ¶ 2( B). These agreements preclude any claim that the US Airways pilots should first be integrated among themselves and then integrated with American pilots in a “two-step” process on the basis of equities claimed from the US Airways-America West merger. Accordingly, the USAPA Merger Committee proposal integrates the three pilot seniority lists into a single, integrated seniority list."
 
B) B) B)
 
You might want to edit while you can.
 
EastCheats said:
 
B) B) B)
 
You might want to edit while you can.
 
Oh, by no means show the slightest mercy there. Expand on that brilliant missive while your potential victim remains defenseless. Attack immediately from apparently a position of fullest advantage. No doubt a few more magnificently expressed "thoughts" and brilliantly "Attached Thumbnails" shoud provide devasting affect kid.
 
EastUS1 said:
 
Oh, by no means show the slightest mercy there. Expand on that brillaint missive while your potential victim remains defenseless. No doubt a few more magnificently expressed "thoughts" and brilliantly "Attatched Thumbnails" shoud provide devasting affect kid.
 
Having problems with the edit feature too? :lol:
 
 
EastCheats said:
 
Having problems with the edit feature too? :lol:
 
 
 
Please tell us all that even "you'se" are not so hopelessly and even unimaginably dense as to have missed the obvious message there....? Failing that; do PLEASE at least tell us all that you're not really a supposed "pilot" that's actually trusted with other people's lives in your hands?
 
Claxon said:
Your witness sir.
 
USAPA pilots prehearing statement.
 
"The APA West Pilot Committee also may not assert that the Nicolau Award establishes any seniority rights for US Airways (West) Pilots vis-à-vis US Airways (East) Pilots......... 
 
“Arbitrators are not free to ignore the preclusive effect of prior judgments under the doctrines of res judicata and collateral estoppel”. ...
 
The agreements governing this proceeding require that the Arbitration Board integrate all three pilot groups on the basis of three separate seniority lists... 
 
USAPA telling the Arbitration Board what they can and can't do.
 
That's going to play well.  :lol:
 
traderjake said:
 
USAPA telling the Arbitration Board what they can and can't do.
 
That's going to play well.  :lol:
 
Perhaps you could assist the APA folks there. Just tell 'em all how the nic is really "it", and that anyone that's at all in disagreement with that has no "Honor", "LT Hardy. 😉
 
EastUS1 said:
 
 
Please tell us all that even "you'se" are not so hopelessly and even unimaginably dense as to have missed the obvious message there....? Failing that; do PLEASE at least tell us all that you're not really a supposed "pilot" that's actually trusted with other people's lives in your hands?
 
Please explain post 6485. Senior moment? :lol:
 
 
america west pilot ken holmes told his west pilots to vote for the american airlines mou in 2013.
 
Lets rewind history for a few moments that the west pilots are currently trying to rewrite. 
 
ken, your west pilots video link below laments concern over wages, but you showed no such concern the previous years.  Hypocrite.
 
kens holmes, west pilot, concern about wages, 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq_CNp2VyoE
 
ken holmes west pilot pay reality, decades before and leading up to his video were he is concerned about pilot pay.  Hypocrite!
 
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/AVG%20WAGE%20-%20Pilots%20and%20Copilots.pdf
 
EastCheats said:
 
Please explain post 6485. Senior moment? :lol:
 
 
Sorry kid, but if the obvious idiocy of posting nothing more than an "Attached Tumbnail" of an animated emoticon as an apparently intended "argument" completely escapes you, well...no amount of additional explanation could possibly help here. Apologies, but it's been a long day, and I've too little room left to further indulge the incredibly stupid at present.
 
EastUS1 said:
 
Sorry kid, but if the obvious idiocy of posting nothing more than an "Attached Tumbnail" as an apparently intended "argument" completely escapes you, well...no amount of additional explanation could possibly help here.
 
I'm glad it makes sense to you. Is this what I have to look forward to when brain cells get a little rusty? 😉
 
 
traderjake said:
 
USAPA telling the Arbitration Board what they can and can't do.
 
That's going to play well.  :lol:
Trader, your pappy was a piedmont pilot that stapled empire pilots on the bottom of his list.
 
When you go over to his house and salivate the fact that his demise will produce more gains for you besides him providing you; a college education, flying lessons and the ability to step in front of other pilots to the kangaroo court interview that got you hired by your pappy s airline.  These are the facts you have to live with, not men.
 
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