2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

It appears they let the stupid one out early. Maybe to get pizza.

Would that be the one that turned down the NIC when we offered it to you guys? Definitely qualifies for stupid..

 

[snapthis]

Would that be the one that turned down the NIC when we offered it to you guys? Definitely qualifies for stupid..

 
That's a ridiculous statement. Your side created USAPA to avoid the Nicolau. Bradford went attorney shopping.
 
The Bradford Letter as evidence.
27 S. Bradford, Letter to Capt. Weber, 1 (May 16, 2007) [App. 141].
 
 
Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS Document 94 Filed 05/17/13
 
30. On June 9, 2007, this committee received advice from a lawyer to take care
 
with “the language you use in setting up your new union” and not to “give the other side
 
a large body of evidence that the sole reason for the new union is to abrogate an
 
arbitration, the Nicolau award, that in the opinions of most judges, should be allowed to
 
stand due to no gross negligence or fraud.” 30
 
31. On June 14, 2007, this group met with another law firm to inquire whether
“formation of a new bargaining agent” could prevent implementation of the Nicolau
Award.
 
 
Now, there is a second Bradford letter. What's the APA going to do about it? Look the other way while another scheme is brewing?
 
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Bradford_Letter.pdf

 

[Phoenix]

 
That's a ridiculous statement. Your side created USAPA to avoid the Nicolau. Bradford went attorney shopping.
 
...

 
 
You guys had your ripe DFR suit and your appeal is at the 9th.  Is it too late to plaster a confederate flag on USAPA?  You guys need something and ya need it fast.  

 

[Freighterguynow]

Eastool is a...
 
PHL based washed-up rusthead.

washed up on the island ?

 

[Claxon]

 
Full docket text:
TEXT-ONLY ORDER granting [49], [52]
Motion for Expedited Discovery Text of Order:
Responses are due by close of business at 5:00PM
on Thursday, June 25, 2015. So Ordered.
Entered by District Judge Robert J. Conrad, Jr
on 6/23/2015. (tmg)
Full docket text:
 
TEXT-ONLY ORDER granting [50] Motion for
Reconsideration Text of Order: Granting Motion
for Reconsideration. So Ordered. Entered by
District Judge Robert J. Conrad, Jr on
6/23/2015. (Hughes, Timothy)

 

[EastCheats]

You guys had your ripe DFR suit and your appeal is at the 9th.  Is it too late to plaster a confederate flag on USAPA?  You guys need something and ya need it fast.

Confederate flag? I don't think y'all will be able to buy them at Wal-Mart anymore. Might want to try the Mecklenburg County redneck dollar store. 😉

 

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USAPA pilots brief excerpt;
 
"THE BOARD’S AUTHORITY UNDER THE MCCASKILL-BOND AMENDMENT IS LIMITED TO INTEGRATING THE PILOT SENIORITY LISTS ON THE BASIS OF THE STATUS QUO OF THREE SEPARATE SENIORITY LISTS IN EFFECT ON DECEMBER 9, 2013
 
The USAPA Merger Committee anticipates that the APA West Pilot Committee may assert that the pilots of US Airways should be integrated together on the basis of the arbitration award issued by Arbitrator George Nicolau in the ALPA Merger Policy proceeding initiated by the merger of US Airways and America West. This Arbitration Board has no authority to integrate the pilots of US Airways and American on any basis other than the three separate seniority lists in effect on December 9, 2013."

Your legal opinion thoughts west pilots?

 

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america west pilots comments on the "Kirby proposal" pre USAPA.
2007
 

 

How west pilot are portraying USAPA for not accepting the "Kirby proposal" in the current sli proceedings with the potential arbitrators.
2015

 

[Claxon]

 
MEC NewsDirect
 
January 31, 2008
 
A AAA/AWA Joint Chairman's message has been emailed to pilots and posted
under What's New. The text of the letter is below:
AAA-AWA MEC Joint Chairman’s Message
January 31, 2008
 
Fellow America West and US Airways pilots,
 
Today, the AAA and AWA Steering Committees and their respective merger and
negotiating teams will begin talks about the issues separating our pilot groups in
order to produce a comprehensive contract counterproposal for both MECs to
review. As we have said in the past, any comprehensive proposal must adequately
address seniority implementation issues and all open JNC issues for both pilot
groups.
 
The Steering Committees are meeting at a neutral site, and to give this process
the best chance for success, both sides have agreed to a communications blackout
during this time. As a result of this policy, our pilots should understand that any
hearsay information floating around is unsubstantiated, and should be treated as
rumor only.
 
If the AAA and AWA Steering Committees are able to successfully produce a
comprehensive contract counterproposal, it will first be reviewed by both MECs. If
both MECs approve the final product, JNC negotiations would resume with
management as we counter the infamous “Kirby proposal” that we received on
May 8, 2007.
 
If a TA is achieved through joint negotiations and is subsequently approved by
both MECs it will be sent to each pilot group for ratification. The rank and file
members of this union will be the ultimate arbiters of any agreement.
 
There is much at stake here for both pilot groups. None of your union volunteers
takes the challenges ahead of us lightly. Your MEC leadership and the Steering
Committees all appreciate your patience while we work through these very
difficult issues.
 
Fraternally,
 
Captain Jack Stephan
Chairman, AAA MEC
 
Captain John McIlvenna
Chairman, AWA MEC

 

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"The APA West Pilot Committee also may not assert that the Nicolau Award establishes any seniority rights for US Airways (West) Pilots vis-à-vis US Airways (East) Pilots. That award has been adjudicated three times to not govern the seniority rights of US Airways pilots by the federal courts in the litigation Addison, et al v. US Airline Pilots Assn. “Arbitrators are not free to ignore the preclusive effect of prior judgments under the doctrines of res judicata and collateral estoppel”. Elkouri & Elkouri, How Arbitration Works, 7th ed., 11-34 (2012), quoting Aircraft Braking Systems Corporation v. Local 856, United Auto Workers, 97 F.3d 155, 159 (6th Cir. 1996). This Arbitration Board must give effect to the final court judgments that the Nicolau Award does not govern the seniority rights of US Airways pilots.
 
The agreements governing this proceeding require that the Arbitration Board integrate all three pilot groups on the basis of three separate seniority lists. The December 2012 Memorandum of Understanding in its paragraph 10(h) recited that it did not alter the status quo of three separate lists in effect on December 9, 2013. The Section 13 protocol agreement signed by American, APA and USAPA also provided that the certified seniority lists would reflect the status quo of three separate seniority lists on December 9, 2013. Section 13( agreement, ¶ 2(. These agreements preclude any claim that the US Airways pilots should first be integrated among themselves and then integrated with American pilots in a “two-step” process on the basis of equities claimed from the US Airways-America West merger. Accordingly, the USAPA Merger Committee proposal integrates the three pilot seniority lists into a single, integrated seniority list."

Your legal thoughts west pilots?

 

[Phoenix]

Your legal thoughts west pilots?

 
 
They will duck, duck, goose.  They are incapable of being serious or funny.  They don't fit on the scale of "wide range of rational." 

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

This coming from a guy with 8132 posts. Talk about no life.....

really? Your name is no where on the current list , Call dr Phil or sully, if he takes your calls , pathetic, you are!

 

[Claxon]

 
“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.
“And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."
 
 
Kirby
 

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/05/kirby-we-expect-an-amr-us-airw.html/

 

[cactusboy53]

Wow, team west appears to having a little meltdown, to bad about the NIC. Do you westies have an issue with the APA proposal.

It's a proposal LIAR....sorry, Luvr.  We ALL make our case to the arbitration panel.  Then.....

• The panel delivers the new LIST.
• USAPA calls the CIRP into motion.
• USAPA crys foul!
• USAPA sues someone / everyone.
• USAPA calls the FBI, CIA, NSA, and any other goverment agency it can think of.
• USAPA tries to convice APA to change it's name to some other CBA and get a representational vote.
• USAPA blames the EVERYONE for EVERYTHING.
• Rinse, repeat....

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Airwaves June/July 2000[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)[/SIZE]