2015 Pilot Discussion.

[N924PS]

really? Your name is no where on the current list , Call dr Phil or sully, if he takes your calls , pathetic, you are!

My name is on all three proposed lists.

I'll be here until the new AA joint list is done. Just for fun.

 

[cactusboy53]

[SIZE=12pt]“In this instance, despite a year of negotiating efforts, there was no agreement on a list. Subsequently, the Representatives choose the Undersigned as Board Chairman and opted for the Med-Arb process. Those mediation efforts, held over the course of five days in October 2006, were similarly unsuccessful. Thereafter, the Parties agreed on the arbitration ground rules, and, pursuant to the Policy, each chose a Pilot Neutral from ALPA's Pilot Neutral Master List as a nonvoting member of the Arbitration Board.”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]George Nicolau, Mediator[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]AWA/AAA Opinion & Award; May 07, 2007[/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

Your legal opinion thoughts west pilots?

Opinion?  FINAL & BINDING (the last one and this one).

 

[CAVOK]

My name is on all three proposed lists.

I'll be here until the new AA joint list is done. Just for fun.

Say, tell us again about your 40 ft boat on Harbor Island and your late model airplane hangared on Montgomery Field. We are happy about your recent retirement. 

 

[AWE Dog]

“In this instance, despite a year of negotiating efforts, there was no agreement on a list. Subsequently, the Representatives choose the Undersigned as Board Chairman and opted for the Med-Arb process. Those mediation efforts, held over the course of five days in October 2006, were similarly unsuccessful. Thereafter, the Parties agreed on the arbitration ground rules, and, pursuant to the Policy, each chose a Pilot Neutral from ALPA's Pilot Neutral Master List as a nonvoting member of the Arbitration Board.”
 
George Nicolau, Mediator

AWA/AAA Opinion & Award; May 07, 2007

Precisely, It also stated that a JCBA was needed for said arbitration to be used. Ooop's giant whole. Yes, you agreed to it. Honor your agreement.

 

[cactusboy53]

Precisely, It also stated that a JCBA was needed for said arbitration to be used. Ooop's giant whole. Yes, you agreed to it. Honor your agreement.

Double "oops". It's really not that difficult to understand exactly why & how a JCBA was never completed? It forced you to ABIDE by your agreement. I wonder just how the SLI panel will view ALL of this information? How do you suppose your characterization of the Honorable Geo. Nicolau will be seen by his contemporaries? Be sure to lead with "It's not fair!"

It's a beautiful day in LAX! The birds are chirping, the bees are buzzing & we are well on our way to a (another ) FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION. Big smiles everyone! Big smiles! !

 

[A320 Driver]

We didn't have a JCBA because Parker and Kirby didn't want one. Are you dense? Did you not watch the crew news? Did you not read the financials?
 
Save this BS for the weak minded. It does one thing and one thing only...justify your argument. We ended up in court with an injunction against us and were parked by the NMB trying to move management to serious contract negotiations. Had the NIC been forced upon us, we would have complied...bottom line. It wasn't.
 
Driver...

 

[Phoenix]

Double "oops". It's really not that difficult to understand exactly why & how a JCBA was never completed? It forced you to ABIDE by your agreement. I wonder just how the SLI panel will view ALL of this information? How do you suppose your characterization of the Honorable Geo. Nicolau will be seen by his contemporaries? Be sure to lead with "It's not fair!"
It's a beautiful day in LAX! The birds are chirping, the bees are buzzing & we are well on our way to a (another ) FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION. Big smiles everyone! Big smiles! !

No doubt they greatly respect George and they might be relieved they can rescue his reputation by correcting such a rare blunder (as asserted by other arbitrators). They might not be motivated by animus to the same degree as the mighty tie brigade.

Who knows? Regardless, fair and equitable it will be. And we'll all live happily ever after.

 

[cactusboy53]

We didn't have a JCBA because Parker and Kirby didn't want one. Are you dense? Did you not watch the crew news? Did you not read the financials?
 
Save this BS for the weak minded. It does one thing and one thing only...justify your argument. We ended up in court with an injunction against us and were parked by the NMB trying to move management to serious contract negotiations. Had the NIC been forced upon us, we would have complied...bottom line. It wasn't.
 
Driver...

Not dense. There WAS a contract proposal available for YEARS. It is a recorded FACT. It's in COUNTLESS legal testimonies. It's called the Kirby Proposal, AND all USAPA had to do was show up with "reasonable expectations" and negotiate "in good faith". But NO. Stevie's little "Van down by the river " gang had a "plan" to deliver "DOH & an Industry Leading Contract ".

Talk about dense.

 

[cactusboy53]

No doubt they greatly respect George and they might be relieved they can rescue his reputation by correcting such a rare blunder (as asserted by other arbitrators). They might not be motivated by animus to the same degree as the mighty tie brigade.
Who knows? Regardless, fair and equitable it will be. And we'll all live happily ever after.

PLEASE keep espousing that same mantra (especially at the SLI table). It will go over GREAT.

 

[Pi brat]

CB, have you noticed that you guys are espousing the same mantra that you have for the last ten years? At a time with completely different circumstances? You might want to take your own advice.
 
I'm sure the arbitration community absolutely loves Nicolau. Heck, his colossal screw up now gets three of them paid for what used to take one! 🙂
 
You may be right in all your predictions. All the panel had to do is to ignore the courts, MB, the MOU the protocol agreement and logic. We'll see.

 

[AWE Dog]

Double "oops". It's really not that difficult to understand exactly why & how a JCBA was never completed? It forced you to ABIDE by your agreement.

It makes no differance why there was no JCBA. You made a agreement, screwed up and left a giant whole in it and now claim it's not fair. The east is forcing you to live up to YOUR agreement.

 

[CactusPilot1]

CB, have you noticed that you guys are espousing the same mantra that you have for the last ten years? At a time with completely different circumstances? You might want to take your own advice.
 
I'm sure the arbitration community absolutely loves Nicolau. Heck, his colossal screw up now gets three of them paid for what used to take one! 🙂
 
You may be right in all your predictions. All the panel had to do is to ignore the courts, MB, the MOU the protocol agreement and logic. We'll see.

 
It's not hard to miss the fact that you are closing in on 1000 posts on the C&R's with your crap. Maybe you thought that daddy helped you get your job in your early 20's that one day you'd be the top dog at what was that regional airline called? Piedmont? Sorry, your little ego is not going to get stroked any more and you won't be the #1 pilot you would have been at the regional.
 
You sit up there on the fence and go on either side of it, depending on which way the wind blows. Retreat where it's safe when you see the inevitable. Oppose the West Committee then when it happens say you knew it was going to happen or support the Cactus 18 then hide under the USAPA skirt when the heat is on from your fellow Usapians.
 
See you on the C&R's Trank, you snake in the grass.
 

 

 

[autofixer]

When you leave a decision in the hands of a lawyers in robes, it's up for grabs; i.e. SCOTUScare.  

 

[A320 Driver]

The Kirby proposal is a convenient afterthought. You guys were screaming that there was too much in it for us and not enough in it for you. It was something that Kirby threw out there for bait. Now you want to use it in a feeble attempt to make an argument that East had a contract in hand and threw it away. NO, that dog won't hunt. Your reps were right there with us. I never ever heard ONE argument at the time from a West rep that we should accept the Kirby.
 
Like I said...save it for the weak minded...