2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Pi brat]

It's not hard to miss the fact that you are closing in on 1000 posts on the C&R's with your crap. Maybe you thought that daddy helped you get your job in your early 20's that one day you'd be the top dog at what was that regional airline called? Piedmont? Sorry, your little ego is not going to get stroked any more and you won't be the #1 pilot you would have been at the regional.
 
You sit up there on the fence and go on either side of it, depending on which way the wind blows. Retreat where it's safe when you see the inevitable. Oppose the West Committee then when it happens say you knew it was going to happen or support the Cactus 18 then hide under the USAPA skirt when the heat is on from your fellow Usapians.
 
See you on the C&R's Trank, you snake in the grass.

I can always tell when I hit a nerve with the facts! 🙂 The response is so predictable .

How's your math these days? You and your friends have certainly been warmly received on C&R! Anybody seen your most infamous captain after his trouncing?

 

[luvthe9]

Opinion?  FINAL & BINDING (the last one and this one).

Those pesky details........



“In the US Airways – America West case, it went to binding arbitration but there was a requirement as part of that that the two unions negotiate a joint contract with the company, which wasn’t done yet.

And because it wasn’t done yet, the side that didn’t like it could prevent a joint contract from getting done. And because of that, the seniority integration never happened."

Scott Kirby






"USAPA is at least as free to abandon the Nicolau Award as was its predecessor" / There not only is no 'federally mandated' arbitration, there is no arbitration at all, merely a predecessor union's bargaining proposal."






Oh well Davey boy, just have two words for you...........WYE RIVER..

 

[nycbusdriver]

Not dense. There WAS a contract proposal available for YEARS. It is a recorded FACT. It's in COUNTLESS legal testimonies. It's called the Kirby Proposal, AND all USAPA had to do was show up with "reasonable expectations" and negotiate "in good faith". But NO. Stevie's little "Van down by the river " gang had a "plan" to deliver "DOH & an Industry Leading Contract ".

Talk about dense.

 
Oh.  So just because the company had a sub-substandard contract on the table, you think we should all jump on it just so you can cash your lottery ticket?
 
I realize that you westicles never had a decent contract since the day you opened your doors simply because since you had not the balls, nor the smarts, to negotiate one, but please don't think the East pilots were going to drink your JimJones cocktails just to make you cretins happy.

 

[Phoenix]

PLEASE keep espousing that same mantra (especially at the SLI table). It will go over GREAT.

I won't predict what will happen, other than the results will be fair and equitable.

You on the otherhand sell a perfect crystal ball, that hasn't been correct yet.

 

[Freighterguynow]

I wonder just how the SLI panel will view ALL of this information?

They will put you at 14000 on the list where you belong

 

[EastUS1]

....... & we are well on our way to a (another ) FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION. Big smiles everyone! Big smiles! !

 
"(another ) FINAL & BINDING ARBITRATION"...? "(another)"..? So...umm...just maybe the nic nonsense wasn't so "FINAL & BINDING" as "you'se" all so long and lovingly imagined? Gasp! How could you now even admit such a thing?...I'm left aghast, fully shocked and totally taken aback by your vile blasphemy there!
 
I suggest seriously increased levels of caution going forward, lest even your most devout cultists finally start figuring out their true situation here.

 

[EastUS1]

There WAS a contract proposal available for YEARS.

 
Indeed, but one not suitable for so much as wiping a stray cat's behind with. But considering how much you still seem to be cheering for it long after the fact, well...hmm...small wonder your brilliant bunch so enthusiastically risked drowning in their own slobber just for the very chance to shoot their future's feet off with that marvelous MOU and subsequent "contract"....

 

[traderjake]

  :ninja: No doubt they greatly respect George and they might be relieved they can rescue his reputation by correcting such a rare blunder (as asserted by other arbitrators). 

 
East pilots - We want DOH
 
Nicolau - You're not getting DOH, tell me what you really want...
 
East pilots - We want DOH
 
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I bet the majority of other Arbitrators don't think Nicolau blundered.  :ninja:

 

[EastUS1]

I bet the majority of other Arbitrators don't think Nicolau blundered.  :ninja:

 
You would have to poll them I suppose, but it's an indisputable certainty that the majority of other pilot groups did "question" the nic though, else why have they all insisted on 3 arbitrators ever after? Spin the truth of that, if you even possibly can.

 

[Phoenix]

You would have to poll them I suppose, but it's an indisputable certainty that the majority of other pilot groups did "question" the nic though, else why have they all insisted on 3 arbitrators ever after? Spin the truth of that, if you even possibly can.

He's a groupie. Reason isn't a factor for groupies. Just don't picture him in high heels. He's not a rock star groupie.

 

[luvthe9]

They will put you at 14000 on the list where you belong

And look at all the money they wasted to do that.



WYE RIVER!!!

 

[Claxon]

Oh.  So just because the company had a sub-substandard contract on the table, you think we should all jump on it just so you can cash your lottery ticket?
 
I realize that you westicles never had a decent contract since the day you opened your doors simply because since you had not the balls, nor the smarts, to negotiate one, but please don't think the East pilots were going to drink your JimJones cocktails just to make you cretins happy.

Dave thinks east pilots should bend over so he can have his way. 17 yrs below new hires is fair in Daves world. Then you should take a standard west contract to cement your place.
Dave has no clue how things went so, so wrong when they passed at Wye River. Yes, Dave could have had the Nic, but the greedy 2004 hires blew it.
Now the LAA kicked sand in the gears of the west plan. The west 2004 hires really screwed the pooch.

 

[traderjake]

 
You would have to poll them I suppose, but it's an indisputable certainty that the majority of other pilot groups did "question" the nic though, else why have they all insisted on 3 arbitrators ever after? 

 
Correlation does not imply causation is a phrase used in science and statistics to emphasize that a correlation between two variables does not necessarily imply that one causes the other

 

[Claxon]

Opinion?  FINAL & BINDING (the last one and this one).

No Dave. The last one only. You really steered your constituents wrong. This latest scheme will not fly.

 

[traderjake]

He's a groupie. Reason isn't a factor for groupies. Just don't picture him in high heels. He's not a rock star groupie.

 
Did you ever admit you were wrong about the West getting a Merger Committee?
 
I'd say that was a pretty reasoned speculation on my part.
 
Except for putting the WB F/O slots senior to the NB Captain slots, I also predicted the exact Nicolau Award.
 
Spin on.