2015 Pilot Discussion.

[snapthis]

Comparing Elwood's letters to his ramblings, I see a common theme other than the International PHL 330 int'l pilot with 3 moon landings and one in the Hudson:

Dear Captain Wilson and the APA Board:


APA have wisely chosen to postpone the seniority integration hearing and for that I am grateful. I would ask you all to soberly consider the implications, both in the short and the longer term, of somehow applying a slap-dash band aid to the problem handed you, by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

Legacy USAirways pilots, including me, must have our positions on forming a single seniority list vigorously advocated for. I do not accept the ridiculous ruling of two judges, which undoes the results of several full trials. Should APA attempt to proceed, prior to the full resolution and reversal of the recent ruling, the implications for a Duty of Fair Representation failure on your part should be obvious.

APA are the single and only Collective Bargaining Agent, for all of the Pilots of The New American Airlines. As such you members of the representative body are responsible to see to it that the bargaining positions of all the component parts of this new airline are heard.

As you may be aware, the Ninth Circuit is the most often reversed Court, in the Federal System and this ruling should help to keep their unenviable record intact. In the mean time, do not do the companys job. Do not be problem solvers for parties whose intentions are partisan at best, or in the case of Management, contrary to those of any Union worthy of the name. Finally, resist any temptation to use this temporary, (in every sense of the word) hiccup, as a means to advantage either the Legacy American Pilots, or those of the former America West. Any attempt to do so will result in a legal quagmire; the resolve of the Legacy USAirways pilots on the matter of their seniority has been convincingly demonstrated in the recent past. We havent changed our position on the matter.....

We can operate nicely, as three separate entities and pilot groups, until such time as a proper an unbiased hearing can take place. That is impossible, so long as this ruling has the weight of law. To do otherwise is to ensure years of litigation for APA.

We are all watching, with vested and keen interest to see how you, APA, handle this situation. I trust you will do the right thing.

Thank you all, for your service to the Line Pilots of New American Airlines.

Fraternally,

Captain Elwood Menear

PHL 76-International




From: Woody Menear
Subject: Re: Wondering
Date: October 16, 2008 6:48:23 PM GMT-07:00
To:

**** no, John....I am set for life! Your reputation however, precedes you. Here's the unvarnished deal: the seniority
issue is decided, democratically and legally. I am sorry if your collective "pussies" are hurting...seriously, but wake up and
join.

I've been the "loser" in three, count them, three mergers; and yet, the only system that makes sense is date of hire, even
though I've lost over 1,500 numbers and MILLIONS. It is unambiguous, objective and real. Anything else is a "lick and a
promise". You have been (collectively) seduced by ALPA bullsh$t, which had little to do with unionism and much to do
with placating the airline who brought in the most dues money.

Well, wake up...new day, new deal. Your seniority buys you what mine does; minus the fact that I've been at this asylum
for 25-years and you have been here, how long?

**** "career expectations"....you don't have a career, thanks to guys like Parker and Wolf and Siegle and a host of other
MBA's from Wharton and other places.

If you idiots stop hating your fellow airmen, who have done the same job as you for a longer time and start focusing on
the Fagans who run this sweatshop, we might all just get out of this with a shred of dignity. Otherwise...do your worst:
we Easties have been trick-****ed by the best....what do you suppose you Embry-Riddle, trust-funders can do to us that
Wolf and ALPA haven't already done?

John, do you remember "Blazing Saddles"? Well, we are the Sheriff, (not the #### PHX chief pilot), Cleavon Little's
solution to a mob who wanted to lynch him is similar to the East outlook; Nobody move, or I'll shoot myself. Get it now,
John?

Eff-you and your aching p---y. We have lost HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS INPENSION....and we are done. Get it now?

Fraternally,

Capt. Elwood Menear B767I PHL "A proud Catpiss Pilot"

 
I guess it depends on who's he's addressing makes a huge difference in his "professionalism" which includes the TSA.
 
Pilot's remark results in charges The US Airways employee made a comment to security about bringing a plane down. He faces misdemeanor counts.
 

 




A US Airways pilot was charged with making terroristic threats and disorderly conduct after making an inappropriate comment at a security checkpoint at Philadelphia International Airport early yesterday, police said.
Elwood Menear, 46, of Annville, Pa., suggested that he did not require an illegal item to bring a plane down, airport officials confirmed. Police said Menear was detained at Security Checkpoint B and charged with the two misdemeanors, said Philadelphia Police Cpl. Jim Pauley, a police spokesman. Pauley said Menear might remain in custody overnight.




Linda Vizi, a spokeswoman for the FBI, said the bureau also was involved in the investigation.
"We will present the facts to the U.S. Attorney's Office and make a determination tomorrow or the next day as to whether he'll be charged federally," Vizi said last night.
The incident, which occurred about 7 a.m. yesterday, was the second time since November that a US Airways pilot had made an inappropriate remark. Airport spokesman Mark Pesce said that unlike in the previous incident, the pilot was detained immediately and security measures were not breached.
On Nov. 3, an unidentified pilot made a remark about a gun to a security worker, who allowed the pilot to continue through the checkpoint. By the time the security worker had second thoughts and contacted his supervisor, the pilot could not be located. As a result, the terminal was evacuated, delaying thousands of passengers for hours.
US Airways spokesman David Castelveter said the flight to Milwaukee that Menear was supposed to fly was delayed slightly so that another pilot could be found.
"We do take these matters very seriously," Castelveter said.
"We find this type of behavior inappropriate, and we're working with the police.
"In this case, the process worked," he said.
"There was no safety risk to passengers."
Asked what effect the arrest would have on Menear's employment with US Airways, Castelveter said the company could not comment until today, after it had reviewed the situation.
Arlene Salac, a spokeswoman from the Federal Aviation Administration, said the FAA had the authority to suspend or revoke Menear's license; however, under the Sensitive Security Act, that information could not be made public for at least a year.
Kathleen Brady Shea's e-mail address is kbrady@phillynews.com.








by Taboola by Taboola

 

[luvthe9]

What happened SpinThis, thought you said Conrad was going to come down hard on us?


Sure sorry the NIC thing is not going to work for you guys.

 

[Phoenix]

What did happen?
Oops! Sorry, just got the email. Looks like they lost.

Evidently the judge asked the respective councils to confer and report back on things they mutually agree to so he can issue an order they both support.

USAPA Update

Details Created on Wednesday, 01 July 2015 14:32
Yesterday, June 30, Judge Robert Conrad convened a hearing in the United States District Court in North Carolina to consider a motion by the Plaintiffs in Bollmier vs. Hummel. In September 2014, USAPA filed an action in the Courts of North Carolina asking the courts to declare that its actions maintaining USAPA as an organization post decertification to be correct and legal. This case was later removed to the Federal Courts in Charlotte. Later, certain West Pilots represented by Leonidas Attorney Marty Harper filed an action in North Carolina charging certain officers with breech of their fiduciary duty to USAPA by refusing to dissolve USAPA and by paying the expenses of the seniority integration proceedings. USAPA has vigorously opposed the action and has moved to dismiss it.

The Plaintiffs also sought an order from the court requiring USAPA to cease using its treasury for 1) the purpose of seniority integration and 2) for defending itself in the appeals of the Addington case pending in the 9th Circuit. At the hearing USAPA made it clear it was willing to stipulate that it would spend no more of its resources on seniority integration as that was already the order of the Ninth Circuit but vehemently opposed any order that would rob it of its right to defend itself in the Courts and made it clear that it was planning to petition the 9th Circuit for reconsideration of its decision.

Judge Conrad heard from Marty Harper, Plaintiffs’ Counsel, urging him to immediately order USAPA to stop using its funds to support its defense in the 9th Circuit. USAPA’s local Counsel, John Gresham, and USAPA’S General Counsel, Gary Silverman for O’Dwyer and Bernstein, argued against Harper's motion. After an hour and a half of argument, and despite Plaintiffs’ motion and its argument in the Court yesterday, no injunction was granted. Judge Conrad declined to issue an injunction against USAPA. He did ask Counsel to meet and confer as to any stipulated action that he might order and report back to him in two weeks. He then adjourned the hearing.

USAPA Communications

 

[snapthis]

What happened SpinThis, thought you said Conrad was going to come down hard on us?


Sure sorry the NIC thing is not going to work for you guys.

 
You're a dim bulb. Wouldn't you think it's normal procedure to listen to both sides take a recess and then rule?
 
I'm sorry your committee did not work out.
 

 

[Claxon]

You're a dim bulb. Wouldn't you think it's normal procedure to listen to both sides take a recess and then rule?
 
I'm sorry your committee did not work out.

Your plan fizzled out.
Now Bybee has placed APA in a position they never saw coming. They will now have to find a way to represent east pilots or the will get DFR. They also have to slam the Nic away as they want nothing like it. They realize the bigger threat of the two are west pilots who bring nothing.
Now you have the APA targeting you west pilots.
This mess will drag on for a long, long time. The minute the APA fails to represent the east, DFR. There is no more target USAPA west brothers and sisters. It is you, and the APA.
The minute the company, west and APA fail to include the east pilots, is the minute they trigger the legal action.

 

[Claxon]

You're a dim bulb. Wouldn't you think it's normal procedure to listen to both sides take a recess and then rule?
 
I'm sorry your committee did not work out.

As usual, you misrepresent the facts Spinthis.

 

[luvthe9]

You're a dim bulb. Wouldn't you think it's normal procedure to listen to both sides take a recess and then rule?
 
I'm sorry your committe did not work out.

Sure sorry your NIC's not going to work either.

 

[luvthe9]

As usual, you misrepresent the facts Spinthis.

That's all he's good at.

 

[Claxon]

Well, there you go, you answered your own questions. It doesn't really mean much but as long as you feel better, good for you.
 
Let me guess, using your logic that USAPA will have another "checkmate" this afternoon convincing Judge Conrad of your position, the same judge who put USAPA in a corral with an injunction.

Checkmate.

 

[luvthe9]

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The minute the company, west and APA fail to include the east pilots, is the minute they trigger the legal action.

I think that trigger has been pulled.

 

[Claxon]

NOTICE of Hearing on Motion re: [16] MOTION for Temporary
 
Restraining Order or Preliminary Injunction (with notice) : Motion
 
Hearing set for 6/30/2015 02:00 PM in Courtroom 2-1, 401 W Trade St,
 
Charlotte, NC 28202 before District Judge Robert J. Conrad Jr. This is
 
 
Have a nice day, tomorrow

A very nice day was had.

 

[EastCheats]

A very nice day was had.

 
Were you and Luv sharing a 6-pack? 😉
 

 

[nic4us]

Your plan fizzled out.
Now Bybee has placed APA in a position they never saw coming. They will now have to find a way to represent east pilots or the will get DFR. They also have to slam the Nic away as they want nothing like it. They realize the bigger threat of the two are west pilots who bring nothing.
Now you have the APA targeting you west pilots.
This mess will drag on for a long, long time. The minute the APA fails to represent the east, DFR. There is no more target USAPA west brothers and sisters. It is you, and the APA.
The minute the company, west and APA fail to include the east pilots, is the minute they trigger the legal action.

 

I think you forgot it was the east that pulled out of the SLI arbitration.
 
The east is represented, represented by the people who left the room Monday.  The SLI will go on with or without them, their choice, and right now they chose to withdraw.  No problem, and no claim of no representation.
 
or; are you stupid enough to think that by walking out the the other parties are responsible for your non-inclusion?
 
I suggest you do a little research on what happens at an arbitration when on of the parties decides to call it quits.

 

[EastCheats]

I think that trigger has been pulled.

 
It seems to happen on a regular basis with Usapians.
 
Exhibit 1: Commander eastus McBragg  😉
 

 

[Claxon]

Commander McBragg likes to get off topic when the news bad for USAPA. 😉

You did not get your injunction against USAPA today. Please elaborate on your bad news.