2015 Pilot Discussion.

[nic4us]

Don't let yourself get too pumped up because you temporarily have the upper hand with the 9th. The true "bullshot" is five West reps that heard the exact thing I did. Three PHX reps and two from the negotiating committee that are suddenly struck dumb because it does not collectivly serve or self serve the interests of the West pilot group. I am not a USAPA insider nor do I have a pipeline to their thinking, but my guess is they opposed a separate West merger committee because the USAPA merger committee was supposed to be made up of East AND West pilots presenting a united front in the MB arbitration. That is until the West guys QUIT!!!!! AGAIN!!!!! You can read as well as I can that the East Merger Committee did NOT come out with a DOH proposal.
Save the West party line for those stupid enough to believe it. You know as well as I do that your win in the 9th was based on a lie. That 10H wasn't seniority neutral.

 
So, you are not a usapa insider, BUT, you spent 3 1/2 days at usapa hq?
 
The win at the 9th was not based on a lie.  If 10h is/was "seniority neutral" what is it doing there in the first place?
 
I will tell you.  It is there because the usapa lawyer...you know, the guy who is supposed to represent the entire union....inserted it to protect the east pilots from implementation of the Nic at MOU passage.  Straight up violation of the TA, and straight up representation of the east pilots at the West pilot's expense.
 
The argument that MOU passage would not have happened if the east knew it implemented the Nic is not a legitimate union purpose.  The MOU had contingency for non-passage, and the theory was never tested.  All bets say LCC pilots would have passed the MOU without 10h.
 
Finally, why do you think the West merger committee reps quit? and, the east MC came out with a non-DOH list now because they are further trying to pad their positions and get very junior 3rd listers and such above West pilots.
 
It is not rocket surgery, it is seniority integration...and the east is going to get clobbered because you are just too completely stupid to understand what seniority is, what is meant by binding, why you don't get to renege on contracts, and why the company will never negotiate anything with a group on the wrong side of the liability factor.

 

[EastUS1]

It is not rocket surgery, ....

 
Well, umm...that's good, I suppose, but what tha' heck is "rocket surgery" anyway? Please use only small words here, since you've made it quite clear we're "just too completely stupid to understand"...? 😉
 
Thanks once more for the always dependable chuckles.
 
P.S. From the Urban Dictionary site: 
 
Rocket Surgery
"A word dumbasses use, in confusion with rocket science and brain surgery, when trying to insult someone else for not being able to perform a brainless task.
"Explaining this to you is like trying to explain rocket surgery to a retard!" "It's rocket science, you idiot."

"It's not rocket surgery!" "Of course it isn't, because that doesn't exist, moron!"

 

[cltrat]

 
 
Well, umm...that's good, I suppose, but what tha' heck is "rocket surgery" anyway? Please use only small words here, since you've made it quite clear we're "just too completely stupid to understand"...? 😉
 
Thanks once more for the always dependable chuckles.
 
P.S. From the Urban Dictionary site: 
 
Rocket Surgery
"A word dumbasses use, in confusion with rocket science and brain surgery, when trying to insult someone else for not being able to perform a brainless task.
"Explaining this to you is like trying to explain rocket surgery to a retard!" "It's rocket science, you idiot."

"It's not rocket surgery!" "Of course it isn't, because that doesn't exist, moron!"
 

Bahahahaha priceless

 

[Metroyet]

Well, umm...that's good, I suppose, but what tha' heck is "rocket surgery" anyway? Please use only small words here, since you've made it quite clear we're "just too completely stupid to understand"...? 😉
 
Thanks once more for the always dependable chuckles.
 
P.S. From the Urban Dictionary site: 
 
Rocket Surgery
"A word dumbasses use, in confusion with rocket science and brain surgery, when trying to insult someone else for not being able to perform a brainless task.
"Explaining this to you is like trying to explain rocket surgery to a retard!" "It's rocket science, you idiot."
"It's not rocket surgery!" "Of course it isn't, because that doesn't exist, moron!"

It's hard to tell if you're more stupid or desperate. Both are pegged pretty high.

 

[A320 Driver]

So, you are not a usapa insider, BUT, you spent 3 1/2 days at usapa hq?
 
The win at the 9th was not based on a lie.  If 10h is/was "seniority neutral" what is it doing there in the first place?
 
I will tell you.  It is there because the usapa lawyer...you know, the guy who is supposed to represent the entire union....inserted it to protect the east pilots from implementation of the Nic at MOU passage.  Straight up violation of the TA, and straight up representation of the east pilots at the West pilot's expense.
 
The argument that MOU passage would not have happened if the east knew it implemented the Nic is not a legitimate union purpose.  The MOU had contingency for non-passage, and the theory was never tested.  All bets say LCC pilots would have passed the MOU without 10h.
 
Finally, why do you think the West merger committee reps quit? and, the east MC came out with a non-DOH list now because they are further trying to pad their positions and get very junior 3rd listers and such above West pilots.
 
It is not rocket surgery, it is seniority integration...and the east is going to get clobbered because you are just too completely stupid to understand what seniority is, what is meant by binding, why you don't get to renege on contracts, and why the company will never negotiate anything with a group on the wrong side of the liability factor.

If told often enough and with enough authority, I think you would believe the world is flat. Believe what you like about 10H. No matter what you believe, it will be a convenient truth that does nothing more than serve your purposes.
End.

 

[luvthe9]

You just have to have the right attitude, and know that karma's a force in this universe. You will eventually get EXACTLY what you have reaped. I an a very blessed and lucky man, so yes Big Smiles all around.
Have a great day. I know I will.

You just have to have the right attitude, and know that karma's a force in this universe. You will eventually get EXACTLY what you have reaped. I an a very blessed and lucky man, so yes Big Smiles all around.
Have a great day. I know I will.

Good for you be happy where you are that is where you wlll stay

 

[cactusboy53]

Good for you be happy where you are that is where you wlll stay

As long as you think so, Dorothy. That's what's important.

 

[Claxon]

What exactly did the west gain from the 9th Circuit Court Ruling?
 
In my opinion, nothing but the judicial branch of the government trying to intimidate arbitrators who are backed by federal labor and legislative law. 

 

[Claxon]

As long as you think so, Dorothy. That's what's important.

"12 We decline to order the issuance of the West Pilots’ requested injunction “that an unmodified Nicolau Award must be used to order the seniority of the East and West pilots in the pending McCaskill-Bond process.”
 
9th Circuit Court, Addington

 

[Claxon]

 
So, you are not a usapa insider, BUT, you spent 3 1/2 days at usapa hq?
 
The win at the 9th was not based on a lie.  If 10h is/was "seniority neutral" what is it doing there in the first place?
 
I will tell you.  It is there because the usapa lawyer...you know, the guy who is supposed to represent the entire union....inserted it to protect the east pilots from implementation of the Nic at MOU passage.  Straight up violation of the TA, and straight up representation of the east pilots at the West pilot's expense.
 
The argument that MOU passage would not have happened if the east knew it implemented the Nic is not a legitimate union purpose.  The MOU had contingency for non-passage, and the theory was never tested.  All bets say LCC pilots would have passed the MOU without 10h.
 
Finally, why do you think the West merger committee reps quit? and, the east MC came out with a non-DOH list now because they are further trying to pad their positions and get very junior 3rd listers and such above West pilots.
 
It is not rocket surgery, it is seniority integration...and the east is going to get clobbered because you are just too completely stupid to understand what seniority is, what is meant by binding, why you don't get to renege on contracts, and why the company will never negotiate anything with a group on the wrong side of the liability factor.

"The win at the 9th..????
 
what exactly was won sir?
 
Labor law. 10H paragraph is still there. It was voted on and passed, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

 

[Metroyet]

"The win at the 9th..????
 
what exactly was won sir?
 
Labor law. 10H paragraph is still there. It was voted on and passed, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Yep. All is well Mikey. The USCABIAN dream is still alive and well... DOH! DOH!!!

 

[Claxon]

Yep. All is well Mikey. The USCABIAN dream is still alive and well... DOH! DOH!!!

Thank you for your specifics on my questions sir. (sarcasm)
 
Metroyet, is a former TWA pilot now with american airlines, furloughed from america west.
 
Your thoughts please sir?

 

[Claxon]

As long as you think so, Dorothy. That's what's important.

 
 

Yep. All is well Mikey. The USCABIAN dream is still alive and well... DOH! DOH!!!

 
I am overwhelmed by the legally backed by facts forum responses from the west pilots to my legally formed  questions.  (sarcasm)

 

[Claxon]

spinthis, cactusboy, metroyet,???
 
void time to my clearance of questions, 25 minutes.

 

[EastUS1]

It's hard to tell if you're more stupid or desperate. Both are pegged pretty high.

 
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm merely amused here kid. I'll cheerfully leave all the "stupid" and "desperate" stuff to your sorts. I'd have to suppose that over 10 years now trapped in some God-forsaken desert would drive almost anyone crazy. No worries for "you'se" though...after all; it's apparently not "rocket surgery" on the PHX side of the fence, so I foresee no problems with your grand plans to be found anywhere. 😉