2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Not sure if the west understands how insignificant they are to the whole picture, they are a liability not and asset to this operation.


Kind of like the Southwest AirTran deal.

 

[Phoenix]

Every good airline needs a fishbowl.

 

[luvthe9]

Every good airline needs a fishbowl.

Every good airline needs a fishbowl.

Sure sad they chose to stay on the fishbowl, Dave Simmons is responsible for destroying the careers of the west pilots.


Dave lied to the west pilots.

 

[luvthe9]

Where's Dave?........

 

[cactusboy53]

Sure sad they chose to stay on the fishbowl, Dave Simmons is responsible for destroying the careers of the west pilots.
Dave lied to the west pilots.

Ahhh, I hear that tune...."Still Lying after all these years...".

I'd rather be in a fish bowl awaiting my new 4-tiered massive tank - where the PHX pilots may well be the "big fish RATHER than sitting in my cell waiting for the hangman.

Big smiles Liar...oops Luvr. BTW, WYE fo you continue to lie to your pilot group? Pretty sad.

Big SMILES Liar.

 

[luvthe9]

Can't wait to have you lift my gear....... Wait a minute guess you won't be on the planes.....big smiles son.





Wye River son....,,,you screwed you entire pilot group!


You lose.




Enjoy your fishbowl! Sorry Davey boy.

Ahhh, I hear that tune...."Still Lying after all these years...".
I'd rather be in a fish bowl awaiting my new 4-tiered massive tank - where the PHX pilots may well be the "big fish RATHER than sitting in my cell waiting for the hangman.
Big smiles Liar...oops Luvr. BTW, WYE fo you continue to lie to your pilot group? Pretty sad.
Big SMILES Liar.

Can't wait to have you lift my gear....... Wait a minute guess you won't be on the planes.....big smiles son.





Wye River son....,,,you screwed you entire pilot group!




Enjoy your fishbowl! Sorry Davey boy.

 

[luvthe9]

Dave, you might want to think of a career change boy.




Liar.....



It's over boy better get use to it. We might sell you off.


Such a nice night at the Jersey shore, the boys are having cocktails and laughing at your fishbowl.

 

[luvthe9]

Poor Dave, less than one year captains here, maybe you will be lifting gear for a new hire son.



An old man with a failed career at a failure of an airline, oh my, poor Dave.




Big smiles loser. Your NIC is not going to happen.

 

[nic4us]

Dave, you might want to think of a career change boy.




Liar.....



It's over boy better get use to it. We might sell you off.


Such a nice night at the Jersey shore, the boys are having cocktails and laughing at your fishbowl.

 
 
hmmm...who is this "WE" you speak of?...you got another scab in your pocket?

 

[cactusboy53]

Poor Dave, less than one year captains here, maybe you will be lifting gear for a new hire son.
An old man with a failed career at a failure of an airline, oh my, poor Dave.
Big smiles loser. Your NIC is not going to happen.

WOW. That wasn't desperate at all, right? Keep smilin' Liar.

 

[Claxon]

The top five misconceptions by the west pilots:

5   The phx pilots will be assimilated in the AMR pilot SLI list in less than 3 years.

Due to the threats, attitude and history of west pilots conduct, the company will take their time to integrate the pilot groups.

4   Judge Silver will issue an order that the nic list has to be used in the future pilot sli integration.

Please refer to footnote 12, recent 9th Circuit Court opinion.

3   The East merger committee will not have access to their portion of the company 4 million dollars, split amongst the merger committees.  

USAPA never asked for or were provided a share.  The East Merger Committee will be allotted their 1.333 million dollars.  

2    Attorney fees mentioned in the 9th Circuit order (if ruling survives En Banc) will only be taken out of the East pilots portion of refund from USAPA.

If awarded, the attorney fees will be taken out of the USAPA treasury, what other funds are remaining will be distributed equally to the East and west pilots.

1   The recent letter from the phx reps, espousing unhappy phx pilot conduct in October if their demands are not met, will be of any concern to the AMR management.

No.
 

 

 

[Claxon]

posted on July 28, 2015 23:11

"Dear Phoenix Pilots,
 
This Tuesday evening (July 28, 2015), the company published a memo stating that duty rigs will be aligned with the LAA pilots in accordance with the Green Book for all LUS pilots, commencing October 1, 2015. While this will result in improvements for LUS East pilots, it will amount to a significant loss for LUS West pilots and will likely result in at least two or three fewer days off per month for less pay. Make no mistake, it will be devastating to the junior half of our captains and first officers and their families. While the work rules will be aligned, the bidding calendar will NOT yet be aligned, so that our East counterparts will continue to have the advantage of having their trips built one month prior to ours so that we in PHX will get what's left over (but now, without the benefit of our superior work rules to help compensate for this). While the company claims it is leveling the playing field, indeed, it is not. Benefits are again afforded to the East, while the West is forced to help finance those benefits. It's a fact, but that's what you get when working for our humble airline, despite the fact that our PHX pilots were the only group not bankrupt during either of the last two mergers.
 
Since the beginning of this last merger, our PHX pilots were assured that this would not happen: we would keep our work rules and rigs until we were finally assimilated with the rest of the company, whenever that occurred, because the various agreements management struck all worked to keep PHX in its own and stagnant fishbowl, (subject to the whims, goals, and schedules of other parties). After all, this very management team has seen to it that ALL other pilots at “New American” have continue to have greater opportunities than our pilots, just as they oversaw the same situation at US Airways which nearly any objective outside observer would view as nothing short of malicious in nature. Management seems perfectly content to allow PHX to fight for years to enforce the very agreements they themselves signed and which they always had the power to uphold.
 
We first learned of this possible change on Tuesday of last week- the eve of our last domicile meeting, but had no confirmation at that time and didn't feel it was our job to be the bearers of this potentially bad news since we are not responsible, in any way, for these decisions. Nonetheless, we did have fairly high-level management guests at our last meeting and those of you in attendance might have noticed a curious line of comments and questions about implementation and the eventual loss of our precious rigs posed to those management guests. Make no mistake: Our prime directive has always been to knock down all barriers to implementation of the new integrated seniority list (ISL) so that, when it is published, it will be implemented almost immediately. We have always maintained that this is a trade worth taking and a sacrifice worth making, but not without an immediately pending benefit, as is the situation we now face. October 2015 is so far ahead of the ISL implementation that going to these inferior work rules at that time offers no benefits to our pilots, but only detriments. The line of questions mentioned above was an effort to elicit a response from management about these rumored and pending changes, but nobody took the bait so the discussion ended there (and we had no concrete proof that this was the plan as of last Wednesday anyway).
 
But as of Thursday and Friday of last week, we became aware that this was indeed the plan- to align all of the work-rules, (good and bad) beginning in October 2015, so we decided to take our concerns to the very top of American Airlines. This is something we do not do lightly, but determined that this situation required us to do so in effort to intervene on your behalf. We were hearing of such a dramatic and sudden reversal from what we had always been told to expect during this transition that we couldn't help but think something had been overlooked and might be reconsidered in the interest of equitable treatment for their airline's employees when brought to the attention of our former AWA CEO and his former AWA colleagues.. We sent the following correspondence around noon on Friday (giving our senior-most leadership the weekend to contemplate our plea), yet received no response or acknowledgment whatsoever until the company published the Read File entitled, “October 2015 JCBA Implementations – 28JUL2015” wherein you can read the company's response to our PHX concerns:
 
While no response was received from any of the addressees to the above letter, we did receive a response by way of the aforementioned Read File authored by First Office Jim Eaton “Senior Manager, Pilot Negotiations” which ignored all of our PHX concerns outright, while taking great pains to outline some of the benefits to the LUS East pilots (and ignoring the part about their continued advantage by way of bidding well in advance of ALL other pilots at “New American”).
 
The response from our former AWA management team to the concerns of their former AWA pilots is now crystal-clear: NOTHING. We look forward to the day when a management team that truly offers the “Cultural Change” which Parker and friends sold to the naive and desperate pilots of AA actually does take over at New American. That team will do more than simply apply the blanket and draconian policies of the former management and give more than mere lip-service to the concerns of its employees. Perhaps they will actually recognize the symbiotic necessity of mutually beneficial labor/management relations,  taking into account fairness and equity rather than simply ignoring the concerns of many of their most faithful employees. We eagerly await that day.
 
In the meantime, PHX is lost forever and we can't imagine how management will ever regain our trust. At least now we know where we stand. We hope the rest of the pilots of AA can learn from our experience today and not be strung along with hollow promises for years to come.
 
Sincerely,
 
John Scherff
Eric Ferguson"

 

[Claxon]

The west pilot leadership, the proverbial "The Mouse That Roared".

 

[cactusboy53]

posted on July 28, 2015 23:11
"Dear Phoenix Pilots,
 
This Tuesday evening (July 28, 2015), the company published a memo stating that duty rigs will be aligned with the LAA pilots in accordance with the Green Book for all LUS pilots, commencing October 1, 2015. While this will result in improvements for LUS East pilots, it will amount to a significant loss for LUS West pilots and will likely result in at least two or three fewer days off per month for less pay. Make no mistake, it will be devastating to the junior half of our captains and first officers and their families. While the work rules will be aligned, the bidding calendar will NOT yet be aligned, so that our East counterparts will continue to have the advantage of having their trips built one month prior to ours so that we in PHX will get what's left over (but now, without the benefit of our superior work rules to help compensate for this). While the company claims it is leveling the playing field, indeed, it is not. Benefits are again afforded to the East, while the West is forced to help finance those benefits. It's a fact, but that's what you get when working for our humble airline, despite the fact that our PHX pilots were the only group not bankrupt during either of the last two mergers.
 
Since the beginning of this last merger, our PHX pilots were assured that this would not happen: we would keep our work rules and rigs until we were finally assimilated with the rest of the company, whenever that occurred, because the various agreements management struck all worked to keep PHX in its own and stagnant fishbowl, (subject to the whims, goals, and schedules of other parties). After all, this very management team has seen to it that ALL other pilots at “New American” have continue to have greater opportunities than our pilots, just as they oversaw the same situation at US Airways which nearly any objective outside observer would view as nothing short of malicious in nature. Management seems perfectly content to allow PHX to fight for years to enforce the very agreements they themselves signed and which they always had the power to uphold.
 
We first learned of this possible change on Tuesday of last week- the eve of our last domicile meeting, but had no confirmation at that time and didn't feel it was our job to be the bearers of this potentially bad news since we are not responsible, in any way, for these decisions. Nonetheless, we did have fairly high-level management guests at our last meeting and those of you in attendance might have noticed a curious line of comments and questions about implementation and the eventual loss of our precious rigs posed to those management guests. Make no mistake: Our prime directive has always been to knock down all barriers to implementation of the new integrated seniority list (ISL) so that, when it is published, it will be implemented almost immediately. We have always maintained that this is a trade worth taking and a sacrifice worth making, but not without an immediately pending benefit, as is the situation we now face. October 2015 is so far ahead of the ISL implementation that going to these inferior work rules at that time offers no benefits to our pilots, but only detriments. The line of questions mentioned above was an effort to elicit a response from management about these rumored and pending changes, but nobody took the bait so the discussion ended there (and we had no concrete proof that this was the plan as of last Wednesday anyway).
 
But as of Thursday and Friday of last week, we became aware that this was indeed the plan- to align all of the work-rules, (good and bad) beginning in October 2015, so we decided to take our concerns to the very top of American Airlines. This is something we do not do lightly, but determined that this situation required us to do so in effort to intervene on your behalf. We were hearing of such a dramatic and sudden reversal from what we had always been told to expect during this transition that we couldn't help but think something had been overlooked and might be reconsidered in the interest of equitable treatment for their airline's employees when brought to the attention of our former AWA CEO and his former AWA colleagues.. We sent the following correspondence around noon on Friday (giving our senior-most leadership the weekend to contemplate our plea), yet received no response or acknowledgment whatsoever until the company published the Read File entitled, “October 2015 JCBA Implementations – 28JUL2015” wherein you can read the company's response to our PHX concerns:
 
While no response was received from any of the addressees to the above letter, we did receive a response by way of the aforementioned Read File authored by First Office Jim Eaton “Senior Manager, Pilot Negotiations” which ignored all of our PHX concerns outright, while taking great pains to outline some of the benefits to the LUS East pilots (and ignoring the part about their continued advantage by way of bidding well in advance of ALL other pilots at “New American”).
 
The response from our former AWA management team to the concerns of their former AWA pilots is now crystal-clear: NOTHING. We look forward to the day when a management team that truly offers the “Cultural Change” which Parker and friends sold to the naive and desperate pilots of AA actually does take over at New American. That team will do more than simply apply the blanket and draconian policies of the former management and give more than mere lip-service to the concerns of its employees. Perhaps they will actually recognize the symbiotic necessity of mutually beneficial labor/management relations,  taking into account fairness and equity rather than simply ignoring the concerns of many of their most faithful employees. We eagerly await that day.
 
In the meantime, PHX is lost forever and we can't imagine how management will ever regain our trust. At least now we know where we stand. We hope the rest of the pilots of AA can learn from our experience today and not be strung along with hollow promises for years to come.
 
Sincerely,
 
John Scherff
Eric Ferguson"

Thanks for publishing this key update Clax. John & Eric are doing a GREAT job. You may also have noticed that they were BOTH nominated for another term, and ran UNOPPOSED. Now that's SOLIDARITY.

For someone who claims to be unafraid of little old PHX, you sure post a great deal about us (including ancient past).

 

[EastUS1]

posted on July 28, 2015 23:11
"Dear Phoenix Pilots,
 
This Tuesday evening (July 28, 2015), the company published a memo stating that duty rigs will be aligned with the LAA pilots in accordance with the Green Book for all LUS pilots, commencing October 1, 2015. While this will result in improvements for LUS East pilots, it will amount to a significant loss for LUS West pilots and will likely result in at least two or three fewer days off per month for less pay. Make no mistake, it will be devastating to the junior half of our captains........ so that we in PHX will get what's left over (but now, without the benefit of our superior work rules to help compensate for this). ...
Since the beginning of this last merger, our PHX pilots were assured that this would not happen: ....
 
We first learned of this possible change on Tuesday of last week- ...... and didn't feel it was our job to be the bearers of this potentially bad news since we are not responsible, in any way, for these decisions. .....as is the situation we now face. October 2015 is so far ahead of the ISL implementation that going to these inferior work rules at that time offers no benefits to our pilots, but only detriments. The line of questions mentioned above was an effort to elicit a response from management about these rumored and pending changes, but nobody took the bait so the discussion ended there ...
 
But as of Thursday and Friday of last week, we became aware that this was indeed the plan- to align all of the work-rules, (good and bad) beginning in October 2015, so we decided to take our concerns to the very top of American Airlines. .....
 
We sent the following correspondence around noon on Friday (giving our senior-most leadership the weekend to contemplate our plea), yet received no response or acknowledgment whatsoever until the company published the Read File entitled, “October 2015 JCBA Implementations – 28JUL2015” wherein you can read the company's response to our PHX concerns:
 
While no response was received from any of the addressees to the above letter, ....
 
The response from our former AWA management team to the concerns of their former AWA pilots is now crystal-clear: NOTHING....
In the meantime, PHX is lost forever.....

Thanks for publishing this key update Clax. John & Eric are doing a GREAT job. You may also have noticed that they were BOTH nominated for another term, and ran UNOPPOSED. Now that's SOLIDARITY.

For someone who claims to be unafraid of little old PHX, you sure post a great deal about us (including ancient past).

 
Yep. "John & Eric are doing a GREAT job" and "you'se" clearly have everyone on the ropes, and just where you want them! "so that we in PHX will get what's left over"..."The response from our former AWA management team to the concerns of their former AWA pilots is now crystal-clear: NOTHING...."...."In the meantime, PHX is lost forever....."  Thanks for another day's always dependable laughs. 😉
 
Perhaps the best belly-laugh of all: " taking into account fairness and equity rather than simply ignoring the concerns of many of their most faithful employees." Seriously? Can ANY of even your most hopelessly naive village idiots STILL have fantasies about "Doug" being some first-name-basis "friend" of yours? Sigh...Grow Up.
 
Per: "Thanks for publishing this key update Clax."...? The "key update" was entirely redundant. The matter was previously handled by one of your posters presenting an avatar of a crying toddler whining about how "It's not FAIR!"  Umm...perhaps "you'se" should send management a threatening note about "karma" being a "force in this universe" (and include infantile fantasies of having a "hangman" at your disposal, of course). 🙂
 
Perhaps most truly touching moment though, and doubtlless something that will keep management up for many sleepless nights was this: "and we can't imagine how management will ever regain our trust." Well, based on history though; they could likely regain your troubled trust with an issuance of single lollipops all around "sparta" and "you'se" would quickly don your knee pads and flourish your cheerleader pom poms again.