2015 Pilot Discussion.

[luvthe9]

Please help us to help you to maintain a dedicated and healthy workforce in Phoenix. These pilots have continually supported AWA, US, and now AA with ........




"Continually supported US"...........that's just rich!

 

[luvthe9]

The generally superior work rules under which our PHX pilots work and by which our trips and schedules are constructed are the ONLY comfort our pilots console themselves with when looking across the company and seeing the near limitless opportunities afforded to pilots based ANYWHERE else.........




Wait a minute didn't PHX vote in favor by 96%,

 

[luvthe9]

In fact, at our PHX domicile meeting on Wednesday, we just had a one-year PHX-based pilot complain to us that he had pilots junior to him flying the A330 and E190 as CAPTAIN, even though they were all hired by “New American” at the same time.





Oh well, thank Simmions and company, WYE RIVER

 

[Phoenix]

In fact, at our PHX domicile meeting on Wednesday, we just had a one-year PHX-based pilot complain to us that he had pilots junior to him flying the A330 and E190 as CAPTAIN, even though they were all hired by “New American” at the same time.
Oh well, thank Simmions and company, WYE RIVER

The PHX reps are espousing the Junior PHX belief... DOH! Now I've seen it all.

 

[autofixer]

The PHX reps are espousing the Junior PHX belief... DOH! Now I've seen it all.

You are Sh!##ing me!?  

 

[Metroyet]

The PHX reps are espousing the Junior PHX belief... DOH! Now I've seen it all.

I realize you're blinded by your hatred of West Pilots but I think they make a pretty good point. The 1 year guy hired at the "new American" should be outraged at the unfair treatment of PHX pilots. It's pretty easy to understand isn't it?

 

[EastUS1]

........ The 1 year guy hired at the "new American" should be outraged at the unfair treatment of PHX pilots......

 
For what even possible reason should anyone anywhere else be the least bit "outraged at the unfair treatment of PHX pilots..."?  Is it no longer the PHX philosophy that whatever you can take from anyone else is the pure and "righteous" way to go? Why heck; just a few pages back we see nic4us smirkingly asserting that a fellow pilot with 34 years service is supposedly "junior" to him.
 
What's actually "pretty easy to understand" is that you exist solely within some self-deluded and hopelessly narcissistic little bubble.

 

[Phoenix]

I realize you're blinded by your hatred of West Pilots but I think they make a pretty good point. The 1 year guy hired at the "new American" should be outraged at the unfair treatment of PHX pilots. It's pretty easy to understand isn't it?

Uhhh... I guess the quantity of days of one's employment is so simple.. a westie can understand it.

 

[luvthe9]

Uhhh... I guess the quantity of days of one's employment is so simple.. a westie can understand it.

Now that's funny!

 

[nic4us]

 
For what even possible reason should anyone anywhere else be the least bit "outraged at the unfair treatment of PHX pilots..."?  Is it no longer the PHX philosophy that whatever you can take from anyone else is the pure and "righteous" way to go? Why heck; just a few pages back we see nic4us smirkingly asserting that a fellow pilot with 34 years service is supposedly "junior" to him.
 
What's actually "pretty easy to understand" is that you exist solely within some self-deluded and hopelessly narcissistic little bubble.

He does not have 34 years, he is pretending to be more senior than he actually is to lend credence to his posting.
 
It was never the PHX philosophy to take from others,,,that was the sole domain of the scab union the east pilots formed expressly to take from their new found co-workers,,um...plan backfired a little did it not?  Now the east is heading into a SLI as the lowest career earnings expectation group of the bunch, with the Nic as their template, thanks for dragging us all down with you!
 
Speaking of "narcissistic little bubbles" you east girls take the cake...you do realize you were the lowest paid major airline pilots for an entire decade by self choice right?  c'mon..c'mon...lets hear about how much better you had it and why you were sooo superior to everybody else who was making more money on better work rules, that you actually DESERVED to take their jobs because you were just so darn better.

 

[luvthe9]

I realize you're blinded by your hatred of West Pilots but I think they make a pretty good point. The 1 year guy hired at the "new American" should be outraged at the unfair treatment of PHX pilots. It's pretty easy to understand isn't it?

Hey clueless, the west pilots were screwed over by the Cactus 18 group, they had a chance at Wye River but made the wrong choice.




It’s time to take a good look in the rear-view mirror. If we had a single contract in place, the NIC would also be in place. Sure, we would probably still have USAPA. But long before the East removed ALPA, we would have been operating under a single contract, with the Nicolau seniority list in place. Next time you go to a training center brown bag lunch, before you go after the company and the East, keep in mind how close we were to a TA prior to the NIC. We did it to ourselves, guys.

Dave Blomgren, for the U-Turn

NEXT U-Turn: More details on what we lost and how we lost it.




"WE DID THEIS TO OURSELVES, GUYS"






"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now, but last February the EAST MEC and ALPA couldn’t get to first base with it.

Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything…..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."

U-Turn




"THEY NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT"

 

[luvthe9]

He does not have 34 years,

Actually son I have 34 and change. You will learn to wait your turn like the rest of us.



Go whine to Ferguson and Koontz and the other idiots that wrecked your career. To bad you did not listen to the the U-turn guys, they were spot on.

 

[luvthe9]

One of the four Leonidas LLC directors is apparently now employed as an American Airlines pilot;\

Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horner’s current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union.

 

[Claxon]

Honestly, Who Gives a sh*t what anyone says or thinks or a web board? Especially ones own opinion regarding SLI? It's utterly meaningless. No one is in control of the outcome. That includes the APA and every single LAA pilot on the property. They're along for the ride just like everyone else. You should understand the futility Mike. After all, you were the "president" of a fake union with the law and millions of dollars on your side and you still failed to effect any outcome regarding SLI what so ever. Absolutely Failed.

west pilots are becoming more and more viewed as what they have been know across the industry since the inception of their airline. Once merely casual outside observers of the Nic, LAA pilots see it as the flawed award it was. They now will formulate a defeat to it. AWA pilots have dragged the industry down for years, now they again attempt disruption. LAA pilots will not stand for it.

 

[luvthe9]

"In case you were unaware, we can tell you from our interactions with our LAA counterparts and their Merger Committee's initial proposal that their expectations are unrealistically high (and are becoming more so due to the positive post-merger trajectory of their carriers) and nothing is being done to contain these expectations."





This is a good one..................the westicles whining about the AA boys "unrealistically high" expectations.......had to read it twice, how dumb are Ferguson and Koontz.