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[Bybee] said he was proud of our opinions at the Office of Legal Counsel, too, calling them well researched and very carefully written.

Still, he said the controversy surrounding his tenure there had been difficult.

I have regrets because of the notoriety that this has brought me, he said. It has imposed enormous pressures on me both professionally and personally. It has had an impact on my family. And I regret that, as a result of my government service, that that kind of attention has been visited on me and on my family.

Just think about that. The so-called government service Jay Bybee did caused countless detainees to be subjected to systematized, medieval torture techniques designed to permanently break their mind and spirit. Innocent men spent years wasting away in a cage, with no due process of any kind, subjected to horrific and life-destroying abuse because of what Bybee authorized. So frivolous were Bybees opinions that they were scorned even by subsequent right-wing, Bush appointees such as Jack Goldsmith, and the DOJs own Office of Professional Responsibility formally renounced and harshly criticized those memos. For that work, he was rewarded with a life tenured, permanently-well-paying job as a federal appellate judge.

But the only victim Bybee recognizes in all of this is himself, and the only regret he has is the self-pitying objection that the dark, ugly and destructive work he did caused him to be subjected to some criticisms. Its extremely similar to what Karl Rove identified yesterday as his biggest mistake: not helping to start a war on false pretenses that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, but rather, failing to attack war critics with sufficient viciousness.

These are individuals who destroyed the lives of countless innocent people with gruesome and lawless policies. Not only did they never suffer for it, they have been richly rewarded with wealth and life-long job security. And still, the only tragedy they see from everything that happened is their own trivial suffering, i.e., the fact that theyre criticized in some quarters for what they did. The term sociopathic self-absorption should have a huge picture of them next to it in the dictionary.



UPDATE: The scoipathic self-pity exhibited by Bybee here is not uncommon. As his company ravaged the Gulf, BP CEO Tony Haywards complaint that Id like my life back demonstrated who he thought was the real victim of the oil spill himself. Bush era CIA Chief and Iraq War enabler George Tenet lamented the toll that the Iraq War had taken, by which he meant not the hundreds of thousands of innocent dead people or the multiple tours of duty for American soldiers, but rather the teasing which his children received at school for having a father who helped unleashed that war. And Alberto Geneva-Conventions-are-quaint-and-obsolete Gonzales in the wake of his scandal-caused forced resignation wasted no time publicly complaining about his inability to find a high-paying job.
 
Claxon said:
Big Smiles again Leaky?
Perhaps Hillary isn't the only one with sensitive or classified info squirting on a personal server outside of official and appropriate channels.. But Hilary didn't risk squealing on herself and her colleagues.
 
Phoenix said:
Perhaps Hillary isn't the only one with sensitive or classified info squirting on a personal server outside of official and appropriate channels.. But Hilary didn't risk squealing on herself and her colleagues.
The news should be out very soon and judging by Leaky Simmons' little squirt, it will be a denial or Judge Silver is going to go to bat for her and Wakes pals. Leaky has a very reliable inside source.
 
[SIZE=12pt]“….The Court’s patience with USAPA has run out.  USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins and the Court has serious doubts that USAPA will fairly and adequately represent all of its members while it remains a certified representative.  But all the Court can do at this stage is implore USAPA to, in the words of CAB, “make every effort to see that [the West Pilots’] are given extensive consideration, and that their interests are fairly and fully represented” during seniority integration…”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS   Document 298   Filed 01/10/14[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]“Actually, it is USAPA that is needlessly delaying the resolution of the seniority dispute and jeopardizing the enforceability of the agreement the parties are able to reach. …….The arbitrator’s decision was to be final and binding on both pilot groups and was to be accepted by the Company so long as certain conditions were met.  The Nicolau Award has resulted in four years of litigation including a trial in federal court and jury verdict fining USAPA’s proposal for a non-Nicolau list to constitute an unlawful breach of the union’s duty of fair representation….”[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]Paul D. Jones; Vice President – Legal Affairs and Chief Compliance Officer[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Exhibit 1 of  Declaration of Counsel; Case 13-15000, 02/20/2013[/SIZE]
 
Claxon said:
The news should be out very soon and judging by Leaky Simmons' little squirt, it will be a denial or Judge Silver is going to go to bat for her and Wakes pals. Leaky has a very reliable inside source.

Roger that.. The fishbowl water is probably about to froth up with the goldfish doing victory flips. In their exuberance, one or two may end up flopping on the floor. They are prone to premature elation.

The courts have been pretty mouthy but none have had the balls to rewrite ratified contracts.
 
Phoenix said:
Perhaps Hillary isn't the only one with sensitive or classified info squirting on a personal server outside of official and appropriate channels.. But Hilary didn't risk squealing on herself and her colleagues.
Hillary or Hilary? You got one of them right.
 
Hilarious :lol:
 
 
 

 
 
EastCheats said:
Hillary or Hilary? You got one of them right.
 
Hilarious :lol:
I see.. You will do anything to avoid the issue...even dwell on the minute technical issues.. Isn't that your beef with the East? Hypocrite much? 🙂
 
Phoenix said:
Roger that.. The fishbowl water is probably about to froth up with the goldfish doing victory flips. In their exuberance, one or two may end up flopping on the floor. They are prone to premature elation.

The courts have been pretty mouthy but none have had the balls to rewrite ratified contracts.
 
 
Phoenix said:
I see.. You will do anything to avoid the issue...even dwell on the minute technical issues.. Isn't that your beef with the East? Hypocrite much? 🙂
 
You seem to be obsessed with goldfish. Decisions, decisions. 😉
 

 
 
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PREHEARING MEETING BEFORE
DANA E. EISCHEN, IRA F. JAFFE, AND M. DAVID VAUGHN
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x
In the matter of the seniority :
integration involving the Pilots of :
:
NEW AMERICAN AIRLINES :
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - x
Monday, June 29, 2015
Washington, DC

Paraphrasing the question,

SHOULD THE EAST PILOTS HAVE REPRESENTATION WITHOUT INTIMIDATION.


“But having taken no sides, once we read
 the injunction
, and we have a -- or not the
 injunction, but the Ninth Circuit ruling
, we do not
 favor attempting to maneuver or to create
 workarounds on federal court decisions.
 
 And if the purpose of suggesting a new
 committee be formed is to then be able to assert
 that the new East committee is not bound like the
 prior East committee under the USAPA name, by the
 Court decision, would be to ignore what the Ninth
 Circuit has said. And we don't favor that.”

 Mr. Siegel, attorney for the airline, the former USAirways, now AMR.

 
Monsieur Siegel,

What exactly did the Ninth say that you want to ignore, footnote 12?


“Let's start from the fundamental question
of whether you would even have the authority to
direct the APA to use its best efforts to establish
an East pilots merger committee.
And I think the answer to that question is
no, you don't.

But I'm going to just stop here for a
moment and put a pin in that argument and say, after
I finish that argument, I'm going to go on and tell
you why I think that, even if you had the authority,
it would be a bad idea to exercise that authority,
and that you should not exercise that authority.
 
And I'm going to ask you that, even if you
conclude, when you're writing your opinion, that you
don't have authority, that you continue on and write the second part of that, namely that, if you had the authority, you wouldn't exercise it.”

Jeff Freund, attorney for the west pilots.


Monsieur Freund, bad attempt in trying to tell the arbitration board how to do their jobs.  

If it is any consolation, your arrogance exceeded Bybee and Siegel’s attempt to intimidate.
 
 
"Question No. 1
 
Whether APA should engage in best efforts to establish a new merger
committee to represent legacy U.S. Airways East pilots (“East Merger
Committee”)?
 
The Board answers Question No. 1 in the affirmative: APA should engage in best efforts to establish a new merger committee to represent legacy USAirways East pilots.
 
It is the obligation of the Board under the Protocol Agreement and its
incorporated McCaskill-Bond mandate to ensure a process which is fair and
equitable
in design and which also produces a fair and equitable integrated pilot seniority list. The groups of pilots whose seniority rights will be governed by that list each have interests separate and distinct from the others; and each of those groups, including East pilots, are presumptively entitled to have their interests represented in this SLI proceeding."
 
http://nebula.wsimg.com/677e107774c83f6da0c64c0045b1fe10?AccessKeyId=28158D289DABE0EBE265&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
 
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