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A320 Driver said:
People tell you what they think you want to hear most of the time. I wouldn't hang my hat on any of it. The arbitrators will sort this out. You have your say, we'll have ours...move on.

Oh...and Capt Aux has issues. Not sure what they are...need for attention, etc., but he is an embarrassment to us all.
 
Sadly, "cap'n aux" (while clearly the most obvious example) evidently isn't the isolated instance out in PHX. There's the whole "Army" of supposed "Spartans" nonsense to factor in. More perfect examples of Arrested Development would be difficult to find among other groups of "professionals" anywhere. Here's but another pair of their finest "soldiers" off indulging in yet another childish ride in Fantasyland:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIfKKw-kvPo
 
cactusboy53 said:
Isn't it funny how I keep running into AA (& OAL) pilots that think you're a bunch of lying, thieving dirt-bags that wouldn't know integrity if it crawled out your side?
On the other hand you only run into AA (& OAL) pilots that think we are the cheaters & thieves for abiding to a processes and product of that process & protecting the seniority award that we both agreed to in the beginning?
Lay off the bottle. The laminated letter is telling. You are a cranky old zealot who most likely alarms any crew who had let you up front.
 
Claxon said:
Lay off the bottle. The laminated letter is telling. You are a cranky old zealot who most likely alarms any crew who had let you up front.
Ah, it was an amazing flight. Great crew. Both jumpseaters former AWA pilots. Lots of discussion re fast cars, fast motorcycles, racing, and l lying, thieving dirt-bags. The captain remarked on the stupidity & overall lack of character of you fellas (a couple of times ).

Me, cranky? Nah. A zealot? YOU BET.

Have a great say Clax!
 
EastUS1 said:
Sadly, "cap'n aux" (while clearly the most obvious example) evidently isn't the isolated instance out in PHX. There's the whole "Army" of supposed "Spartans" nonsense to factor in. More perfect examples of Arrested Development would be difficult to find among other groups of "professionals" anywhere. Here's but another pair of their finest "soldiers" off indulging......
Blah, blah, blah. Pour yourself a strong one Capt. Crunch.
 
cactusboy53 said:
Blah, blah, blah. Pour yourself a strong one Capt. Crunch.
No thanks. I'll leave the drunken hanging out in hotel bars on layovers to such as yourself. You proudly post a ready and apparently practiced adeptness at such.
 
cactusboy53: "So I was enjoying an evening beverage on my RON last night with my buddy. The hotel pub was pretty quiet,..." From the tone of your postings, especially concerning your apparent need to spew seniority politics and your pitiful "Integrity"-Boy/"woe is me" BS all over complete strangers, well, permit some serious doubt that it was merely "an evening beverage" but indeed several.
 
Thanks for further illustrating the validity of my observation: "More perfect examples of Arrested Development would be difficult to find among other groups of "professionals" anywhere." Feel free to post up another erudite response along the established lines of "Blah, blah, blah."
 
In any case; some exercised judgement on your layovers is strongly suggested:   http://archive.wtsp.com/news/article/14726/0/America-West-pilots-convicted-of-being-drunk-in-cockpit
 
cactusboy53 said:
Ah, it was an amazing flight. Great crew. Both jumpseaters former AWA pilots. Lots of discussion re fast cars, fast motorcycles, racing, and l lying, thieving dirt-bags. The captain remarked on the stupidity & overall lack of character of you fellas (a couple of times ).
Me, cranky? Nah. A zealot? YOU BET.
Have a great say Clax!
I found the AMERICA WEST AIRLINE drug trafficking trial fascinating. Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations AMERICA WEST, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. They had purchased a DC 6 and embarked upon aT h) Tcareer in the drug trade. Unfortunately for them their plane, which they maxed out electronically, had chronic engine problems which required them to touch down unexpectedly in several countries. This was more than embarrassing since they had not filed flight plans. On one such emergency stop in Aruba, on the way back from Columbia, their plane was found packed with marijuana. There is reason to believe that their intended cargo was cocaine and that after a mix)up they did not wish to fly back empty. Dispite the lofty positions these men held with AMERICA WEST they seemed to have no dificulity getting time off for their drug flights and AMERICA WEST wanted to rehire Russell after his 6 months in the Federal country club.

Twenty percent of the stock of AMERICA WEST was owned by ANSETT AIRLINES of Australia and 55% of ANSETT was held by Sir Peter Ables and Rupert Murdock. We know from Jonathan Kwitney's book THE CRIMES OF PATRIOTS that Burny Houghton, perhaps the key figure in the founding of the CIA drug money laundering bank NUGAN)HAND in Australia, had coffee with Sir Peter Ables the night of his first day in Australia.

I watched Assistant U.S. Attorney James Lacey prosecute both rounds of this case. The three AMERICAN WEST pilots had all plea bargained out. If they did not testify truthfully about the others in the case they would be looking forward to serious time. Lacey prosecutes all the large narcotics cases in Arizona. Because he is the son of Frederic Lacey, the federal judge appointed by the Justice Department to be administrator of the TEAMSTERS UNION, Jim Lacey has unusual clout in the U.S. Attorney's office here. Although Lacey could not deny the pertinence of the information I gave him it was clear that he did not want to know where this case ultimately led. I watched him play patty cake with the defendants when he should have been playing hard ball.

The plot began in July of 1986 when Helmut Bubbel called Thurston from Alaska and arranged a meeting at the ARIZONA BILTMORE RESORT HOTEL with Thurston and the other pilots. Ten days later they met again in Bangkok Thailand to arrange their first cargo. Their original plan was to make their pick up in communist Laos. One doesn't go to the great difficulty to travel to restricted Laos to purchase marijuana or Thai stick as the pilots claimed. Pot is legal in Thailand. One goes to Laos for heroin. Thurston testified that his cut of this first flight was to be one million dollars. When I ran the numbers for Lacey it was obvious that only a heroin cargo would generate this amount of profit. With the DC 6 three or four flights a year would have provided the entire US requirement for heroin.T h) T
 
Claxon said:
......they seemed to have no dificulity getting time off for their drug flights and AMERICA WEST wanted to rehire Russell after his 6 months in the Federal country club.
 
Well, he might've had the original prototype for the "Integrity Matters" T-shirts as a saving grace, but who knows? Merely speculating here on why else "AMERICA WEST wanted to rehire Russell after his 6 months in the Federal country club." That mess certainly does speak well of the historically high standards for employment at AWA though.
 
Phoenix said:
Laminated letters.. Ok, but did you laminate your scab list?
Nah. I keep that electronically. As a matter of fact, I keep nearly ALL of the USAPA-related litigation (you know, like the TWICE lost RICO case).

Do you keep the "scab list" on hand, Scotty? While I know we have some guys on that list, AAA does as well.
 
Claxon said:
I found the AMERICA WEST AIRLINE drug trafficking trial fascinating. Patrick Thurston, Vice President of Operations AMERICA WEST, Bob Russell, Chief of Pilots, and Carl Wobser, a captain, all pleaded guilty to multiple counts of narcotics trafficking. They had purchased a DC 6 and embarked upon aT h) Tcareer in the drug trade. Unfortunately for them their plane, which they maxed out electronically, had chronic engine problems which required them to touch down unexpectedly in several countries. This was more than embarrassing since they had not filed flight plans. On one such emergency stop in Aruba, on the way back from Columbia, their plane was found packed with marijuana. There is reason to believe that their intended cargo was cocaine and that after a mix)up they did not wish to fly back empty. Dispite the lofty positions these men held with AMERICA WEST they seemed to have no dificulity getting time off for their drug flights and AMERICA WEST wanted to rehire Russell after his 6 months in the Federal country club.
Twenty percent of the stock of AMERICA WEST was owned by ANSETT AIRLINES of Australia and 55% of ANSETT was held by Sir Peter Ables and Rupert Murdock. We know from Jonathan Kwitney's book THE CRIMES OF PATRIOTS that Burny Houghton, perhaps the key figure in the founding of the CIA drug money laundering bank NUGAN)HAND in Australia, had coffee with Sir Peter Ables the night of his first day in Australia.
I watched Assistant U.S. Attorney James Lacey prosecute both rounds of this case. The three AMERICAN WEST pilots had all plea bargained out. If they did not testify truthfully about the others in the case they would be looking forward to serious time. Lacey prosecutes all the large narcotics cases in Arizona. Because he is the son of Frederic Lacey, the federal judge appointed by the Justice Department to be administrator of the TEAMSTERS UNION, Jim Lacey has unusual clout in the U.S. Attorney's office here. Although Lacey could not deny the pertinence of the information I gave him it was clear that he did not want to know where this case ultimately led. I watched him play patty cake with the defendants when he should have been playing hard ball.
The plot began in July of 1986 when Helmut Bubbel called Thurston from Alaska and arranged a meeting at the ARIZONA BILTMORE RESORT HOTEL with Thurston and the other pilots. Ten days later they met again in Bangkok Thailand to arrange their first cargo. Their original plan was to make their pick up in communist Laos. One doesn't go to the great difficulty to travel to restricted Laos to purchase marijuana or Thai stick as the pilots claimed. Pot is legal in Thailand. One goes to Laos for heroin. Thurston testified that his cut of this first flight was to be one million dollars. When I ran the numbers for Lacey it was obvious that only a heroin cargo would generate this amount of profit. With the DC 6 three or four flights a year would have provided the entire US requirement for heroin.T h) T
Ooh. A 29 YEAR old story. Not desperate at all, Clax.

How about a video of Ansett?
 
 
.... always nice hearing from a LAA pilot that isn't purposely trying to stokes the fires of discord...got enough of that already!
That being said ...reading thru the various merger related threads and posts from pilots at all thee groups, I believe there is some unreasonably inflated expectations in every group. You are absolutely right to caution Ray...but don't stop with just him! It is after all, the unreasonable expectations that were purposely inflated by east pilot leadership and followed by great disappointment, that created the great abyss separating east and west. Which was then followed by complete dysfunction in an entire gamut of CBA functions. Thankfully, I don't see that coming from APA...and even east leadership is no longer professing the "supreme confidence" we have come to expect from them. Maybe "Old dogs can learn new tricks"!
Personally, I doubt that Judge Silver does mandate the Nicolau...nor am I concerned if she doesn't or even if she allows an east committee to self-righteously impress upon the Arb's how wrong Nicolau was. The fact that the Ninth placed an even larger shot across the Arb's bow than what AOL had even asked for will have their attention. Few things are capable of over-turning a MB arbitrated list; I doubt the Arb's desire to explore their extent.
 
west pilot comment.
 
 
"The fact that the Ninth placed an even larger shot across the Arb's bow than what AOL had even asked for will have their attention. Few things are capable of over-turning a MB arbitrated list; I doubt the Arb's desire to explore their extent."
 
west pilot comment
So west pilots, the arbitration panel can not rule by law, but have to be intimidated by those on the 9th that are trying to remake the law? 
 
They were not intimidated.
 
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