2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Phoenix]

Are you guys going to admit who wrote your "second" issue response to the Wilder letter, or are you going to pin the mistake/oversight on Freund?  

 
 

Are you guys willing to admit that you followed the Pied Piper down the road to the SAME outcome and it only cost you MILLIONS of DOLLARS and time off that you will NEVER RECOVER?

 
 
It seems your lawyer totally flubbed his response to the "second issue" raised in the Wilder Letter.  Someone didn't even read the letter correctly.  Does your high priced lawyer notice the difference between your Addington and Bollmeier cases?  I find that hard to believe, though anyone can make an honest mistake.  
 
Just admit it, your low power wannabe lawyers wrote the brief to save money and made the glaring mistake...  😀

 

[EastUS1]

I challenge you to ....oh wait. ....

 
No surprise at all. After all; "you'se" are nothing more than a complete joke of even a supposed "pilot" and a pathetic widdle-pussy-"boy" to boot. At at least some level "you'se" must clearly know that already though...or you would at least attempt something more than "typing tough", which btw, call me crazy here, does indeed fail to mightily much "impress" me. 😉
 
"....oh wait. ...." Seriously? "oh wait."? Umm....Need a note from your mommy first, or what?
 
From your very own internet mouth: "This is Sparta!" after all...So....What's the problem here?....Perhaps need a note from both Mommy AND Daddy first? 😉
 
cactusboy53: "I challenge you to"...Yeah...right. Let the whole world here know the very first moment "you'se" ever evolve even half a testicle or even a single bone that might one day magically become a spine.
 
You may now resume pretending that you personally actually "matter" as anything other than a pitiful joke, soley through the machinations of lawyers and arbitrators of course....if such nonsense actually gives you even the slightest comfort as even a remotely supposed "man". Meanwhile?....I'll be forced to just laugh. 😉

 

[cactusboy53]

It seems your lawyer totally flubbed his response to the "second issue" raised in the Wilder Letter.  Someone didn't even read the letter correctly.  Does your high priced lawyer notice the difference between your Addington and Bollmeier cases?  I find that hard to believe, though anyone can make an honest mistake.  
 
Just admit it, your low power wannabe lawyers wrote the brief to save money and made the glaring mistake...  😀

 
Good for you.  You found ONE LITTLE flaw with our argument.  I'm sure that the Arbitration Board will see things your way...
 
[SIZE=12pt]In the Matter of the Seniority Integration Involving [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]the Pilots of NEW AMERICAN AIRLINES- July 05, 2015[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]To the extent that USAPA and its Merger Committee have exited the process and have decided not to return, that is not the responsibility of the Board or the remaining Parties and should not materially prejudice their legitimate rights and expectations with respect to the timing of the seniority list integration arbitration proceeding in this case…..But if APA is ultimately unsuccessful in its efforts, we are comfortable with the arbitration proceeding in accordance with the Ground Rule modifications in our answer to Question No. 3….Whether or not a Merger Committee is required to advocate in favor of adoption of the Nicolau Award, we are not only authorized but obligated, as a result of the provisions of McCaskill-Bond and the language of the Protocol Agreement, to consider and give appropriate weight to all relevant facts and history when determining both an appropriate methodology and when determining whether the resulting integrated seniority list is fair and equitable. [/SIZE]

 

[cactusboy53]

 
No surprise at all. After all; "you'se" are nothing more than a complete joke of even a supposed "pilot" and a pathetic widdle-pussy-"boy" to boot. At at least some level "you'se" must clearly know that already though...or you would at least attempt something more than "typing tough", which btw, call me crazy here, does indeed fail to mightily much "impress" me. 😉
 
"....oh wait. ...." Seriously? "oh wait."? Umm....Need a note from your mommy first, or what?
 
From your very own internet mouth: "This is Sparta!" after all...So....What's the problem here?....Perhaps need a note from both Mommy AND Daddy first? 😉
 
cactusboy53: "I challenge you to"...Yeah...right. Let the whole world here know the very first moment "you'se" ever evolve even half a testicle or even a single bone that might one day magically become a spine.

Pound sand Mikey.  I could fly out-fly you with one eye tied behind my back, but I don't play with CHEATS. 
 

• DRINK
• POST
• REEL
• CRY
• ARGUE
• CHALLENGE
• GET WIFE TO GET YOU A REFILL
• WAIL
• RE-CHALLENGE
• CRY "NOT FAIR"
• WAIL (AGAIN)
• CALL STEVIE TO TELL THEM THAT YOU HAVE US ON THE ROPES
• WAIT!  WHO'S PAYING FOR THIS CIRCUS?  OH WAIT! WE HAVE TO, BECAUSE THE WEST ISN'T FILLING OUR COFFERS

 

[cactusboy53]

Hey Mikey!  How's this?:
 
“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”
US Airwaves June/July 2000
US Air Merger Committee Members: Todd Cardoza (PIT), Mike Cleary (BOS),Randy Mowery (PIT)

 

 

[EastUS1]

 
Good for you.  You found ONE LITTLE flaw....

 
Darwin would've properly found you to be nothing much more than a little flaw...but we've enjoyed an era of post-WWII power and prosperity that even allowed such frail sorts as yourself to be both protected-by-your-betters, and even survive at all
 
cactusboy53: "Pound sand Mikey.  I could fly out-fly you with one eye tied behind my back," Cool. I like that kind of even pretended arrogance, so come show the whole world just how truly AWAsome you really are then?....No? Why NOT?...Still working on permission slips from both Mommy AND Daddy? 😉
 
Folks...I give you mighty "sparta" at it's "best"...and more's the pity for actual Pilots anywhere that these pathetic impersonations even exist.
 
cactus"boy"53: "I could fly out-fly you with one eye tied behind my back," Ummm...isn't that traditionally supposed to be "one hand tied behind my back"? No matter. Well then..."fill your hand", little "spartan" pilgrim. The whole world awaits your personal demonstration of how you "could out-fly" even the sad likes of me....So? 🙂
 
Umm...Still no permission slip from both mommy and daddy yet?

 

[cactusboy53]

OR THIS?:
 
“Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so.  By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator’s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground.”
 
Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge

No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012

 

[cactusboy53]

 
Darwin would've properly found you to be notihing much more than a lttle flaw...but we've enjoyed an era of post-WWII power and prosperity that even allowed such frail little sorts as yourself to be both protected-by-your-betters, and even survive at all 😉

Pound sand, Mikey.  Judge Conrad will deal with the named litigants.  You're not one of those, are you Mikey?  I sure hope not.  The posts that you are making are being forwarded, just in case.

 

[cactusboy53]

How about this?:
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED the Clerk of Court shall enter judgment dismissing Counts I and III of the complaint and in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint stating US Airline Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose.
 
Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge

No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012
 
NO LEGITIMATE UNION PURPOSE.

 

[cactusboy53]

Ahhhh.....DICTA.  Such a BEAUTIFUL word!!!!
 
“….The Court’s patience with USAPA has run out.  USAPA avoided liability on the DFR claim by the slimmest of margins and the Court has serious doubts that USAPA will fairly and adequately represent all of its members while it remains a certified representative.  But all the Court can do at this stage is implore USAPA to, in the words of CAB, “make every effort to see that [the West Pilots’] are given extensive consideration, and that their interests are fairly and fully represented” during seniority integration…”
 
Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge

Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS   Document 298   Filed 01/10/14
 

 

[cactusboy53]

Phoenix....THIS is what I meant by doing MULTIPLE posts.  You have to use FACTS, COURT TESTIMONY, and COURT DICTA to make you sound like you are INFORMED and well read.  Using 20-8 year OLD videos (while factual, REALLY don't PROVE anything), crying "Not Fair" just makes you look like a dolt -IMHO.  Big SMILES Phoenix.  You aren't a named litigant, are you???

 

[Phoenix]

 
Good for you.  You found ONE LITTLE flaw with our argument.  I'm sure that the Arbitration Board will see things your way...
 
[SIZE=12pt]In the Matter of the Seniority Integration Involving [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]the Pilots of NEW AMERICAN AIRLINES- July 05, 2015[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=12pt]To the extent that USAPA and its Merger Committee have exited the process and have decided not to return, that is not the responsibility of the Board or the remaining Parties and should not materially prejudice their legitimate rights and expectations with respect to the timing of the seniority list integration arbitration proceeding in this case…..But if APA is ultimately unsuccessful in its efforts, we are comfortable with the arbitration proceeding in accordance with the Ground Rule modifications in our answer to Question No. 3….Whether or not a Merger Committee is required to advocate in favor of adoption of the Nicolau Award, we are not only authorized but obligated, as a result of the provisions of McCaskill-Bond and the language of the Protocol Agreement, to consider and give appropriate weight to all relevant facts and history when determining both an appropriate methodology and when determining whether the resulting integrated seniority list is fair and equitable. [/SIZE]

 
 
 
 
Yes, as you admitted, I found that whomever wrote your brief did not even correctly read the Wilder Letter and was thus unable to even address the "second issue" raised by Wilder.  Just an honest mistake, rather than inexperience, maybe.  
 
Secondly, the tone of the west committee response was more akin to the emotionally charged posts here on this message board, rather than a calm, reasoned, dispassionate lawyer.   Perhaps the author of the West response misread the Wilder Letter because he was not your dispassionate lawyer, but was perhaps instead one of your very impassioned 2004 or 2005 hire lawyers.  The tone of the response seemed to support that analysis a bit...   I mean compare it to the other lawyers in the other responses.... Hmmmm...
 
Personally if I were the Arb panel I would continue to proceed with the process and decisions already made, based on the professional assumption/expectation that the courts will be intelligent enough to refrain from intervening in the MB process.At any rate.  The boa needed these questions to be raised now in order to protect the finality of their work.  We shall see what they do.  

 

[cactusboy53]

 
No surprise at all. After all; "you'se" are nothing more than a complete joke of even a supposed "pilot" and a pathetic widdle-pussy-"boy" to boot. At at least some level "you'se" must clearly know that already though...or you would at least attempt something more than "typing tough", which btw, call me crazy here, does indeed fail to mightily much "impress" me. 😉
 
"....oh wait. ...." Seriously? "oh wait."? Umm....Need a note from your mommy first, or what?
 
From your very own internet mouth: "This is Sparta!" after all...So....What's the problem here?....Perhaps need a note from both Mommy AND Daddy first? 😉
 
cactusboy53: "I challenge you to"...Yeah...right. Let the whole world here know the very first moment "you'se" ever evolve even half a testicle or even a single bone that might one day magically become a spine.
 
You may now resume pretending that you personally actually "matter" as anything other than a pitiful joke, soley through the machinations of lawyers and arbitrators of course....if such nonsense actually gives you even the slightest comfort as even a remotely supposed "man". Meanwhile?....I'll be forced to just laugh. 😉

POUND SAND Mikey...sorry, Crazy.

 

[Phoenix]

Phoenix....THIS is what I meant by doing MULTIPLE posts.  You have to use FACTS, COURT TESTIMONY, and COURT DICTA to make you sound like you are INFORMED and well read.  Using 20-8 year OLD videos (while factual, REALLY don't PROVE anything), crying "Not Fair" just makes you look like a dolt -IMHO.  Big SMILES Phoenix.  You aren't a named litigant, are you???

 
 
Yes.  Golf clap.  If you don't want to recognize the exclusive authority of the MB BOA, then yes you should cite all the court references you can find, and you should vigorously try to get the courts to issue more.   

 

[EastUS1]

Pound sand, Mikey.  Judge Conrad will deal with the named litigants. ....

 
Aw shucks. What so quickly happened to cactus"boy"53: "I could out-fly you with one eye tied behind my back,",,,?
 
Now, you've suddenly the desperate need to call on "Judge Conrad" instead son? Seriously? 😉
 
What a pitifully spineless and utterly pathetic little pussy you really are. How can "you'se" even face a shaving mirror? Just please stop it, or I'll have to start feeling honestly sorry for you.
 
Folks...I give you mighty "sparta" at it's "best"...and more's the pity for actual Pilots anywhere that these pathetic impersonations even exist.