2015 Pilot Discussion.

[EastCheats]

I see USAPA is selling off the office furniture. I suppose there will be one less entity for the West to sue shortly.

 
Tie sales must be slow. Try lanyards.
 

 

 

[Phoenix]

Accordingly, US Airways respectfully requests that the injunction entered by the Court apply only to USAPA, the party which actually engaged in the conduct violative of the duty of fair representation owed to the Plaintiffs.

 

[snapthis]

Accordingly, US Airways respectfully requests that the injunction entered by the Court apply only to USAPA, the party which actually engaged in the conduct violative of the duty of fair representation owed to the Plaintiffs.

Don't you think the Court knows your game and won't be chasing a ghost?

 

[snapthis]

Remember, Judge Silver was losing patience with evasive behavior.

For example:

"THE COURT: Let me go back. Why isn't it a potential
violation of the obligation of fair representation for USAPA to
say under no circumstances will they ever accept the USAPA
agreement after my order?

MR. SZYMANSKI: First of all, Your Honor, we thought,
frankly, that Your Honor decided that last time.

THE COURT: Well, let's read the order then.

MR. SZYMANSKI: Okay. The order says --

THE COURT: Let's read all of the order which I
thought I was very clear to make the -- all counsel and the
parties in front of me; but I basically said that you could, in
fact, go forward and make a decision without the Nicolau Award
but I didn't say that you unequivocally could reject it. I
said that it was dangerous for you to do that because it was
considered fair.

So you had to consider it. Now that's what I said
and there's no way you could read that order any other way.

MR. SZYMANSKI: All right. Your Honor, you know your
order and I'm not going to argue with your order."

With the 9th's order I would say the Nic will be more than considered.

 

[snapthis]

Looky here, we have an order. Judge Silver has a bit more freedom....

We thus remand this case with instructions to the district court to enter an order enjoining USAPA from participating in the McCaskill-Bond seniority integration proceedings, including any seniority-related discussions leading up to those proceedings, except to the extent that USAPA advocates the Nicolau Award. This remedy adequately accounts for our uncertainty over whether the Nicolau Award would have been implemented because it allows for the possibility that the SLI arbitration panel might not ultimately use the Nicolau Award in its final integration of the US Airways and American Airlines Pilots. It also limits USAPA's participation in the seniority integration proceedings, but does not prohibit USAPA from advocating the seniority position of the East and West Pilots, collectively, as against the American Airlines pilots. Nor is USAPA barred from participating, to the extent it is otherwise permitted, in negotiations regarding other labor matters. At the same time, our injunction has the benefit of alleviating the West Pilots' hardship of fighting on two fronts and ensuring that the East Pilots cannot exploit the benefits of USAPA's breach any longer

 

[Claxon]

The Judges order granted the Company leave to join and they are on the side of APA and USAPA this time.
However, I REALLY HOPE SILVER GRANTS YOU YOUR MOTION. It will serve as a new basis to put the stop on the SLI and will cause new waves of litigation going forward. Money....got to love it!

Everyone is hoping Silver does the west plan. Soon the APA will have to defend east pilots in the Move forward as Silver will have disenfranchised the east.
Lawsuits after lawsuits.

 

[Claxon]

Looky here, we have an order. Judge Silver has a bit more freedom....
We thus remand this case with instructions to the district court to enter an order enjoining USAPA from participating in the McCaskill-Bond seniority integration proceedings, including any seniority-related discussions leading up to those proceedings, except to the extent that USAPA advocates the Nicolau Award. This remedy adequately accounts for our uncertainty over whether the Nicolau Award would have been implemented because it allows for the possibility that the SLI arbitration panel might not ultimately use the Nicolau Award in its final integration of the US Airways and American Airlines Pilots. It also limits USAPA's participation in the seniority integration proceedings, but does not prohibit USAPA from advocating the seniority position of the East and West Pilots, collectively, as against the American Airlines pilots. Nor is USAPA barred from participating, to the extent it is otherwise permitted, in negotiations regarding other labor matters. At the same time, our injunction has the benefit of alleviating the West Pilots' hardship of fighting on two fronts and ensuring that the East Pilots cannot exploit the benefits of USAPA's breach any longer

Please point out what you term "freedom"
You alone see it.

 

[Claxon]

Remember, Judge Silver was losing patience with evasive behavior.
For example:
"THE COURT: Let me go back. Why isn't it a potential
violation of the obligation of fair representation for USAPA to
say under no circumstances will they ever accept the USAPA
agreement after my order?
MR. SZYMANSKI: First of all, Your Honor, we thought,
frankly, that Your Honor decided that last time.
THE COURT: Well, let's read the order then.
MR. SZYMANSKI: Okay. The order says --
THE COURT: Let's read all of the order which I
thought I was very clear to make the -- all counsel and the
parties in front of me; but I basically said that you could, in
fact, go forward and make a decision without the Nicolau Award
but I didn't say that you unequivocally could reject it. I
said that it was dangerous for you to do that because it was
considered fair.
So you had to consider it. Now that's what I said
and there's no way you could read that order any other way.
MR. SZYMANSKI: All right. Your Honor, you know your
order and I'm not going to argue with your order."
With the 9th's order I would say the Nic will be more than considered.

Good. Let's hope it happens.

 

[EastCheats]

Everyone is hoping Silver does the west plan. Soon the APA will have to defend east pilots in the Move forward as Silver will have disenfranchised the east.
Lawsuits after lawsuits.

USAPA Assets for Sale

Specific USAPA assets, including furniture, some electronics, and office items are now up for sale to USAPA members. Closed Bids will be accepted until 1700 EST on Tuesday, September 22, 2015. For the full list of items up for bid.

Winning!!!

 

[snapthis]

Please point out what you term "freedom"
You alone see it.

Are you really that stupid?

 

[EastCheats]

Are you really that stupid?

 

 

[Freighterguynow]

Stick this under your pillow, BS. Doc 317
 
Case 2:13-cv-00471-ROS Document 317
 
The Court of Appeals noted further that “injunctive relief is necessary and
appropriate in this case to prevent the East Pilots from continuing to enjoy the
benefits of USAPA’s breach at the expense of the West Pilots.” (Emphasis added).
 
 
 
There should be no question that the APA Merger Committee is the direct
successor to the USAPA merger committee – no less than USAPA was the successor to
ALPA back in 2008 and no less than APA is the successor to USAPA today.
 
As the
direct successor to USAPA, 
 
By this motion, the West Pilots ask the Court to enter a permanent injunction
consistent with the Ninth Circuit’s mandate. The most efficient way to do so is for the
Court to join APA, which succeeded USAPA as the exclusive bargaining representative
of all of the American Airlines pilots, including legacy U.S. Airways pilots, on
September 16, 2014, as USAPA’s successor
 
 
 
 

 
Moreover, the APA is not a successor to USAPA, which continues to exist ( with a large treasury), was never merged into APA, and never transferred any of its debts or liabilities to APA.  Indeed, as we explain below, the APA has had an adversarial and ligneous relationship with USAPA

 

[Phoenix]

Everyone is hoping Silver does the west plan. Soon the APA will have to defend east pilots in the Move forward as Silver will have disenfranchised the east.
Lawsuits after lawsuits.

Yes, an APA dream. The Dreamliner will remain firmly an LAA pilot platform..

And the fishbowl will never be flushed.. It will stew and ferment in its own filings and droppings.

 

[Phoenix]

Don't you think the Court knows your game and won't be chasing a ghost?

Accordingly, US Airways respectfully requests that the injunction entered by the Court apply only to USAPA, the party which actually engaged in the conduct violative of the duty of fair representation owed to the Plaintiffs.

 

[snapthis]

 
Moreover, the APA is not a successor to USAPA, which continues to exist ( with a large treasury), was never merged into APA, and never transferred any of its debts or liabilities to APA.  Indeed, as we explain below, the APA has had an adversarial and ligneous relationship with USAPA

 
 

Accordingly, US Airways respectfully requests that the injunction entered by the Court apply only to USAPA, the party which actually engaged in the conduct violative of the duty of fair representation owed to the Plaintiffs.

 
Why am I not surprised? You are never on the same page and row in circles.